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01-15-2013, 10:35 AM
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Meanwhile, on the defensive side of the rink, Gretzky also holds the all-time career mark for witnessing the most goals scored against his team as a skater - 2, 285 - this mark is also likely never to be broken.
Yes he was a career +577 and in in 81,82 he was a +81.

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01-15-2013, 04:48 PM
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Meanwhile, on the defensive side of the rink, Gretzky also holds the all-time career mark for witnessing the most goals scored against his team as a skater - 2, 285 - this mark is also likely never to be broken.
To be fair though Gretzky is tops on both counts:

Total goals on ice for:
Gretzky - 3520
Bourque - 3257
Coffey - 3095
Murphy - 2774
MacInnis - 2709

Total goals on ice against:
Gretzky 2285
Messier 2183
Bourque 2144
Coffey 2018
Stevens 2017

Take this for what it's worth. Gretzky was on the ice for 1,235 more goals than against. The first 10 players on the latter list are all HHOFers. Lidstrom is 13th. Robinson is 14th. It is similar to when you look at the most interceptions from an NFL Quarterback? At the top of that list is Brett Favre. I believe Dan Marino is right after him. As strange as it sounds, you have to be a great player to be on a list like this.

So why is Gretzky #1 on the goals against list? Easy. He never played on a strong defensive team in his career. His Oilers were all about offense and whenever he was on the ice it was all about scoring. Not to mention the insane ice time Gretzky had, the powerplay goals scored against him from all the times he was killing penalties and playing in the NHL for 20 years and playing full seasons almost every year. That's a lot of games and you're going to get scored on once in a while. Martin Brodeur has the most losses in NHL history if you want a good comparison.

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01-15-2013, 08:54 PM
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Take this for what it's worth. Gretzky was on the ice for 1,235 more goals than against.
Probably one other records.

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What's crazier than any of Gretzky's records? People believing that he isn't the greatest hockey player of all-time.
Gretzky has more career assists (1963) than anyone else has career points.Mark Messier is #2 with 1887 career points

Absolutely Mind Boggling !

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I think One of the Most Unbreakable Gretzky Records is the number of records he holds. How many records does he hold anyways?

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I think One of the Most Unbreakable Gretzky Records is the number of records he holds. How many records does he hold anyways?
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gretzky could have gotten to 900 goals if he had played 1 more year. his final year he scored 9 goals, he finished with 894, 93 more than howe. no one else has more than 800. jagr and selanne are the active leaders both at 660 or so.


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01-15-2013, 11:10 PM
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To be fair though Gretzky is tops on both counts:

Total goals on ice for:
Gretzky - 3520
Bourque - 3257
Coffey - 3095
Murphy - 2774
MacInnis - 2709

Total goals on ice against:
Gretzky 2285
Messier 2183
Bourque 2144
Coffey 2018
Stevens 2017

Take this for what it's worth. Gretzky was on the ice for 1,235 more goals than against. The first 10 players on the latter list are all HHOFers. Lidstrom is 13th. Robinson is 14th. It is similar to when you look at the most interceptions from an NFL Quarterback? At the top of that list is Brett Favre. I believe Dan Marino is right after him. As strange as it sounds, you have to be a great player to be on a list like this.

So why is Gretzky #1 on the goals against list? Easy. He never played on a strong defensive team in his career. His Oilers were all about offense and whenever he was on the ice it was all about scoring. Not to mention the insane ice time Gretzky had, the powerplay goals scored against him from all the times he was killing penalties and playing in the NHL for 20 years and playing full seasons almost every year. That's a lot of games and you're going to get scored on once in a while. Martin Brodeur has the most losses in NHL history if you want a good comparison.
Let's also not forget that he has the highest +/- in a single season and career among forwards. I'm not even sure his +98 will be matched by any forward or d-man in the near future.

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01-15-2013, 11:16 PM
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Let's also not forget that he has the highest +/- in a single season and career among forwards. I'm not even sure his +98 will be matched by any forward or d-man in the near future.
Didn't Orr have +100 + one year??

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01-15-2013, 11:32 PM
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The scary one in particular is 1987. He led the league in points by 75. Take away all 62 of his goals, and he stills leads the league by 13
That is insane. Right now being a PPG player is a pretty big deal and you are among the elite. He scored almost a PPG MORE than the next best person that year. Ridiculous.

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Has anyone ever broken or even come close to the 378 goals and 139 assists that he scored at age 10?

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Didn't Orr have +100 + one year??
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But he did say forwards, so it has nothing to do with this.

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Has anyone ever broken or even come close to the 378 goals and 139 assists that he scored at age 10?
378 goals and 139 assists???

That puckhog!

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378 goals and 139 assists???

That puckhog!
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Many good records, but also many comments in here not accounting for the era he played in. Some records are in reality impossible to break nowadays, even if a superior player to Gretzky would arrive.

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I always thought that if Jagr had stayed in the NHL is entire career, he had a shot at getting enough points that the "nobody even has as many points as Gretzky has assists" thing. Oh well.

Gretzky is insane.

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Didn't Orr have +100 + one year??
The one record that is more insane is Gretzky's +28 in only 18 playoff games in 1984-85. Not even Orr ever did that in the playoffs.

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Here's another one: Most points in a Stanley Cup Finals (in 1988) with 13. But the crazy part? He did it playing against the best defensive defenseman in the world at the time and against his shadow, Steve Kasper. The crazier part? He did it in 4 games.

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One of the ones I admire is the points in 51 straight games. On his website it says it was 153 points over that period...3 points a game? Crazy.

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Many good records, but also many comments in here not accounting for the era he played in. Some records are in reality impossible to break nowadays, even if a superior player to Gretzky would arrive.
I think the fact that these are historical records DOES account for the era he played in. 200 points in today's NHL is not realistic, and that makes sense. But the fact that he was 75 points better than anyone else in a year proves how ridiculous the records are in the context of the era he's played in. The fact that he has over 3000 points whereas nobody else has over 1900 proves that regardless of era, he was insane.

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One of the ones I admire is the points in 51 straight games. On his website it says it was 153 points over that period...3 points a game? Crazy.
Crazier still? He ended the previous year with a 10 game point streak, making it in actuality a 61 game point streak....which totally leaves everyone else in the dust. The previous record before Gretzky? 28 games. Why is it that hockey is the only sport that doesn't carry over personal scoring streaks season to season?

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I think the fact that these are historical records DOES account for the era he played in. 200 points in today's NHL is not realistic, and that makes sense. But the fact that he was 75 points better than anyone else in a year proves how ridiculous the records are in the context of the era he's played in. The fact that he has over 3000 points whereas nobody else has over 1900 proves that regardless of era, he was insane.
I was going to post this.
Check this out, first column is Gretzky's age, 2nd is his points, 3rd is the next closest in points, 4th is the next closest.

20 164 135 131 119 112
21 212 147 139 136 129
22 196 124 121 118 107
23 205 126 121 119 118
24 208 135 130 126 121
25 215 141 138 131 123
26 183 108 107 107 105

PS: I didn't remove Kurri or Coffey from the list.

Why was he so far ahead of #2-3-4?


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There are Kings fans who think Gretzky is not the greatest player in their franchise's history.

This is what Wayne did from Aug. 9, 1988 - Feb. 27, 1996:

(3) Art Ross Trophies
(1) Hart Trophy
(1) 1st Team All-Star selection
(5) 2nd Team All-Star selections
(1) Canada Cup Championship
(1) Canada Cup All-Tournament Team selection
Canada Cup points leader
NHL Regular Season: 539 GP - 246 G - 672 A - 918 PTS
NHL Playoffs: 60 GP - 29 G - 65 A - 94 PTS


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There are Kings fans who think Gretzky is not the greatest player in their franchise's history.

This is what Wayne did from Aug. 9, 1988 - Feb. 27, 1996:

(3) Art Ross Trophies
(1) Hart Trophy
(1) 1st Team All-Star selection
(5) 2nd Team All-Star selections
(1) Canada Cup Championship
(1) Canada Cup All-Tournament Team selection
Canada Cup points leader
NHL Regular Season: 539 GP - 246 G - 672 A - 918 PTS
NHL Playoffs: 60 GP - 29 G - 65 A - 94 PTS
Why was he a 1st team all star selection only once?

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The one record that is more insane is Gretzky's +28 in only 18 playoff games in 1984-85. Not even Orr ever did that in the playoffs.
I'll throw out the obvious disclaimer.

Playoff plus\minus wasn't recorded when Orr played.

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