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Subban and Habs are far apart in agreement(contract)

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01-16-2013, 12:51 PM
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said it before and was gawked at... will say it again...

If Subban was looking for 5.5 or under he would have been signed by now, he wants a PAY day and is looking for 6mill+
Could also be that he doesn't want to be an RFA after his next contract ends...and the Habs do.

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No, from Philly. You can keep that headache.



Sure Philly would. Subban, after all, is a "generational talent." BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Holmgren would be fired if he turned down Subban for Couturier, similarly Bergevin would be fired if he offered/accepted such an outrageous deal.


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#1 defenseman vs. 2nd-3rd line player...tough choice.
I don't like the Flyers but Cout. is far from a 3rd line player. Calling him a 3rd liner is a gross understatement of his talent and potential.

Also, if I am the Flyers I wouldn't consider the deal. PK, despite his exceptional talent will not be worth the potential headache caused by his massive ego. Some teams just don't like selfish players like Subban.

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01-16-2013, 12:54 PM
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you're embarrassing your fan base, please stop.

I'm really interested to see what happens with the Canadians don't get this guy signed by starting night, seems like theres some serious hurdles to cross before these 2 can get a deal.

lets hope it doesnt take as long as the CBA agreement did
Yup, I'm sure the entire fan base would send Couts to Montreal for Subban

Money and contract length are the same thing, time=money and money=time. Seems like maybe Subban is not worth as much as he has been led to believe. Good luck.

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Holmgren would be fired if he turned down Subban for Couturier, similarly Bergevin would be fired if he offered/accepted such an outrageous deal.
He wasn't fired for refusing to send Couts in a package for Weber, but you think he'd be fired for not sending Couts for Subban the headache? Lol, ok. Is Subban that much better than Weber?


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01-16-2013, 01:03 PM
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Subban is such a headache that Habs management and fans alike want him to stay in MTL.

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please. 7th round pick is untouchable.
Perhaps a conditional 7th then?

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Would Montreal match an offer sheet instead of receiving 4 first round picks?

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Would Montreal match an offer sheet instead of receiving 4 first round picks?
yes.

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Sign and trade.

Edler (signed) for subban <--

Works out for both teams.

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Sign and trade.

Edler (signed) for subban <--

Works out for both teams.
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Sign and trade.

Edler (signed) for subban <--

Works out for both teams.
Works out for Vancouver, Habs aren't trading PK for Edler, no thanks!

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The challenge with Bergevin attempting a "2nd contract" move with Subban is that he was the teams #1 d-man last year, and likely will be the #1 d-man for the entire term of the contract, and that's how he wants to be paid. The Rangers had some leverage with MDZ, because he's going to slotted in as the #4 d-man, so $2.55M was reasonable on a short term deal.

I think that Bergevin will have some tough sledding with this one. If Subban really wants a long term deal, I'd try to go as long as I could, and see if I could get 8 years for $5.5M or the like. I definetely wouldn't want the contract to go 4 or 5 years.

Now that I think about it more though - not sure what a 3 year deal really gets the Habs. After that contract is up, PK could file for arbitration, get a one year deal at the current market rate, and then becomes a UFA. It's not like the Habs have any way of locking him up long term if he's set on investigating what his value would be as a UFA.

Subban has a lot of leverage based on how integral he is to the future of the Habs. If he really wants a long term deal, I don't know what realistic option Bergevin has except to give it to him, because the Habs would be in full "train wreck" mode without PK this year.

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Would Montreal match an offer sheet instead of receiving 4 first round picks?
Maybe, if it was Edmontons 4 1st rounders maybe not.

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yes.
If this is the case - why would Bergevin be fighting so hard against a long term deal then? Because at some point, a team like DET could easily float a 5 year offersheet in the $6M range that wouldn't even get the Habs 4 x 1sts.

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01-16-2013, 01:18 PM
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If this is the case - why would Bergevin be fighting so hard against a long term deal then? Because at some point, a team like DET could easily float a 5 year offersheet in the $6M range that wouldn't even get the Habs 4 x 1sts.
i don't think we'll be seeing any offer sheets - especially with the cap going down next year.

from what i understand, money isn't the issue - it's the number of years. Bergevin wants a bridge contract while PK wants a long term deal.

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01-16-2013, 01:19 PM
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PK will get re-signed.

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i don't think we'll be seeing any offer sheets - especially with the cap going down next year.

from what i understand, money isn't the issue - it's the number of years. Bergevin wants a bridge contract while PK wants a long term deal.
Look at a team like DET. They lost Lidstrom who was making $6+M last year, and after striking out on Suter still have those $'s available, as well as a HUGE need for a top pair d-man.

Also, wouldn't the Flyers still have the cao space that they were looking at paying Weber his $7M cap hit? Especially when they have the ability to amensty buy out Briere in either of the next two off seasons and free up $7M in cap space? And we know that the Flyers aren't shy about breaking out an offer sheet either.

Both those teams have a very signficant need on the blueline, would be serious contenders w/ PK IMO, and have enough organizational depth that they could afford to miss their next two 1st round DP's. Not saying that it's likely - but I think that it is at least a possiblity.

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5.5 mil 5 years you heard it here first only types of player that Pk could be trade for are players like Jamie Benn, Evander Kane, Bobby Ryan etc still we would have to get a dman back because our d would have a huge hole.

Offer sheet depends on whom but 4 1st round picks is worth gold i would let him walk.

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5.5 mil 5 years you heard it here first only types of player that Pk could be trade for are players like Jamie Benn, Evander Kane, Bobby Ryan etc still we would have to get a dman back because our d would have a huge hole.

Offer sheet depends on whom but 4 1st round picks is worth gold i would let him walk.
This. Losing Subban would also mean that our own 1st would be top 5

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5.5 mil 5 years you heard it here first only types of player that Pk could be trade for are players like Jamie Benn, Evander Kane, Bobby Ryan etc still we would have to get a dman back because our d would have a huge hole.

Offer sheet depends on whom but 4 1st round picks is worth gold i would let him walk.
I would only offer Ales Hemsky or Sam Gagner for Subban.PK Subban is a headcase,and isn't worth what he's asking.

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Look at a team like DET. They lost Lidstrom who was making $6+M last year, and after striking out on Suter still have those $'s available, as well as a HUGE need for a top pair d-man.

Also, wouldn't the Flyers still have the cao space that they were looking at paying Weber his $7M cap hit? Especially when they have the ability to amensty buy out Briere in either of the next two off seasons and free up $7M in cap space? And we know that the Flyers aren't shy about breaking out an offer sheet either.

Both those teams have a very signficant need on the blueline, would be serious contenders w/ PK IMO, and have enough organizational depth that they could afford to miss their next two 1st round DP's. Not saying that it's likely - but I think that it is at least a possiblity.
like i said, with the cap going down next year, i don't see any offer sheets being thrown around. are the Flyers planning on resigning Timonen?

as for the Red Wings, they have Filpulla and Howard to resign on top of a few others.

trading salary for salary would work, but the Habs really need PK.

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I would only offer Ales Hemsky or Sam Gagner for Subban.PK Subban is a headcase,and isn't worth what he's asking.
we'll gladly keep the headcase, then. you can keep the scrubs.

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It reminds me of the Doughty situation. He will hold out and end up signing for about 500 K- 1 Mill to much... However, it will be worth it to have him around.

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Sunday sounds like a good day to get a contract signed.

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