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01-16-2013, 02:34 PM
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^ Hopefully. Not sure why we just gave Armstrong that 5-year contract now since our HF posters are doing a better job of finding a good deal.

I know D'Ags could be good depth but I would like to trade him somewhere so he can play more. He just doesn't have much of a fit on this team.

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It has been stated by other Blues fans: he holds more value to STL than anyone else right now.

You aren't going to get a #3-4 Dman for your spare parts

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It has been stated by other Blues fans: he holds more value to STL than anyone else right now.

You aren't going to get a #3-4 Dman for your spare parts
What is 'spare' for the Blues could be valuable to other teams. The Blues are easily one of the top 5 deepest teams at forward in the league.

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01-16-2013, 04:38 PM
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What is 'spare' for the Blues could be valuable to other teams. The Blues are easily one of the top 5 deepest teams at forward in the league.
Thanks for stating the obvious, but OP brought up spare parts initially. No GM is going to overpay- or even offer fair value- for a team's 13th forward.

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01-16-2013, 04:55 PM
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I think this one of the few proposal's that both fan bases would be in complete agreement on. Like I said; it makes all kinds of sense for both teams.

Only reason it wouldn't happen is if Army is able to land a bigger fish.
I second the Tallinder for D'Agostini motion. As for bigger fish, I can envision BUF's Sekera (LHS), someone who would likely demand a Perron/Stewart/Schwarz type of return. And also possibly but much less likely, PHX's Yandle (LHS), who would garner a Berglund+ return IMO.

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Thanks for stating the obvious, but OP brought up spare parts initially. No GM is going to overpay- or even offer fair value- for a team's 13th forward.
Tallinder for D'Agostini ain't bad. It probably won't happen in real life, but (for HF) this thread is a success.

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Thanks for stating the obvious, but OP brought up spare parts initially. No GM is going to overpay- or even offer fair value- for a team's 13th forward.
so if he starts on the 3rd line game 1, is he a top 9 instead of a 13th?

your statement doesn't make sense, teams deal from strength and as its been said, he is easily a top 9 on another team. there are plenty of teams that are deep at defense that would be looking to "offer fair value" to make a move for D'ags

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I second the Tallinder for D'Agostini motion. As for bigger fish, I can envision BUF's Sekera (LHS), someone who would likely demand a Perron/Stewart/Schwarz type of return. And also possibly but much less likely, PHX's Yandle (LHS), who would garner a Berglund+ return IMO.
Schwartz for Sekera?

Seriously, I'd be all over that. I could definitely see Sekera break out on another team. He's stifled in Buffalo's system because Ruff insists he play a shutdown role, even though he's very gifted offensively. And Buffalo could definitely use a young LW like Schwartz.

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01-16-2013, 07:42 PM
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so if he starts on the 3rd line game 1, is he a top 9 instead of a 13th?

your statement doesn't make sense, teams deal from strength and as its been said, he is easily a top 9 on another team. there are plenty of teams that are deep at defense that would be looking to "offer fair value" to make a move for D'ags
In OP's proposed scenario, he gets bumped out of the lineup by Schwartz.

I'm just playing along. If you want to let an asset get dusty, expect teams to lowball you with offers.

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01-16-2013, 07:47 PM
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Personally, I'd rather keep D'Agostini for a while. I could see him being moved at the trade deadline if Schwartz has proven he can play at the NHL level.


But Tallinder would make me change my mind.

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01-16-2013, 09:52 PM
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This was one of my favorite trade proposals to popup this summer.

It's a fair deal and would be a nice boost to the lineup for both sides. Very rare that that happens. Especially with a one for one.

I know Lou's a dinosaur who doesn't use the internet, but let's hope your GM is browsing for some ideas

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Thanks for stating the obvious, but OP brought up spare parts initially. No GM is going to overpay- or even offer fair value- for a team's 13th forward.
No, he said we aren't MOVING D'Agostini for spare parts; not that D'Agostini WAS a spare part.


This thread is about figuring out who would value D'Agostini as a 2nd line winger and who doesn't. So far, NJ has already stepped up saying they'd part with fair value for him(as has Buffalo).

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Leopold is fair value, but I'm just not crazy about how he would fit in our lineup. He's not overly big, isn't a real PP specialist anymore and isn't that great defensively.

Like I said, value is probably fair but I like the Tallinder notion better.

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01-16-2013, 10:04 PM
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In OP's proposed scenario, he gets bumped out of the lineup by Schwartz.

I'm just playing along. If you want to let an asset get dusty, expect teams to lowball you with offers.
you mean playing devil's advocate (pun intended)

seriously though, the point is to not let him get dusty and to trade him while he has a whole season ahead to show his potential on another team. we are in dust prevention mode.

also, when the OP was talking about Schwartz taking his spot, it wasn't really as slight at D'Agostini, but a compliment to how much Schwartz is improving and earning his spot.

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01-17-2013, 02:57 AM
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I like the Tallinder idea but maybe Devils fans could answer me a few questions about him:
Why did he miss more than half of the last season?
Why was he a -11 player on a defensive good NJ team?

And why the heck is he on hockeyDB listed as a RW?

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01-17-2013, 08:38 AM
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I like the Tallinder idea but maybe Devils fans could answer me a few questions about him:
Why did he miss more than half of the last season?
Why was he a -11 player on a defensive good NJ team?

And why the heck is he on hockeyDB listed as a RW?
TSN is your friend.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=803

He missed most of his games because of a blood-clot in his leg but also had a stretch with back spasms.

I'm guessing the poor +/- was because of playing through injuries and poor offensive stats. Historically he's been pretty good in that area.

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I like the Tallinder idea but maybe Devils fans could answer me a few questions about him:
Why did he miss more than half of the last season?
Why was he a -11 player on a defensive good NJ team?

And why the heck is he on hockeyDB listed as a RW?
They found a blood clot in his leg. He needed to take stop playing and treat it. Was able to come back in the SCF. He didn't get off to a good start last season and as a team the Devils were only a goal differential of +19. When he got hurt the devils were only 22-17.

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would the Blues take Volchenkov for D'agostini?

if not, I think I would likely trade Tallinder for him. we just need another top 9 roster winger.

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Is he mobile enough to take hard minutes with Pietrangelo?

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01-17-2013, 10:28 AM
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I like Volchenkov, Id probably make that deal too.

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No, he said we aren't MOVING D'Agostini for spare parts; not that D'Agostini WAS a spare part.


This thread is about figuring out who would value D'Agostini as a 2nd line winger and who doesn't. So far, NJ has already stepped up saying they'd part with fair value for him(as has Buffalo).
I italicized "your" before adding "spare parts" in my initial post. I'm aware of what he was saying. My reading comprehension is just fine.

And NJ and BUF haven't stepped up. Their fans have.

I've known who D'Agostini was long before he showed up in STL. He's a player with some really good offensive abilities, but as OP was eluding to, he may be a casualty of awarding a spot to a young player with a much higher ceiling. Good problem to have.

Just temper your expectations about the return. If you're happy with a cap-casualty D-man, then good.

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Devils had goaltending (worst league numbers until January) and shorthanded goals issues to explain a little all those minuses.

I would be ok to trade Volchenkov instead of Tallinder. Henrik is totally capable to take 1st pairing minutes. Anton is not.

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I italicized "your" before adding "spare parts" in my initial post. I'm aware of what he was saying. My reading comprehension is just fine.

And NJ and BUF haven't stepped up. Their fans have.

I've known who D'Agostini was long before he showed up in STL. He's a player with some really good offensive abilities, but as OP was eluding to, he may be a casualty of awarding a spot to a young player with a much higher ceiling. Good problem to have.

Just temper your expectations about the return. If you're happy with a cap-casualty D-man, then good.
If that cap-casualty D-man can play a middle pairing role, I think we Blues fans have made it plenty clear that we would be happy with that, and in fact that exactly what we are aiming for.

With Vishnovsky returning a second, Michalek returning a 3rd and couple of middling prospects, Stuart returning a AHL-NHL tweener and a conditional pick, Fistric returning a third, etc. it isn't a stretch at all to think a player who has proven their ability to play in the top nine in the NHL could return something similar.

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I guess he was worth a conditional 5th, but only if you add a conditional 7th.

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