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01-15-2013, 06:02 PM
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The exact same could be said about Subban. Subban and Benn are pretty much equal value wise, maybe a 2nd or 3rd from Montreal would have to be added to even it out, adding Pleks in there makes it a horrible, horrible overpayment by the habs.

I think in order to get both from the habs something like this would be a good starting point:

To Montreal:

Benn
Smith/Oleksiak
2013 1st

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Subban
Plekanec
2013 3rd

The way I see it Subban+2013 3rd=Benn, Smith/Oleksiak+2013 1st=Plekanec. You could argue that it's an overpayment for Plekanec but he's good for between 55-70 points a season while playing just below Selke level defence.
Oh wait so you added a third round pick for the stars? Damn I didn't see that. That changes everything

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It's not fair value wise but Underrating Plekanec would be a huge mistake a guy that plays top minutes on of the best pk in the league, that can put up 60-70 points, is rarely injured and never complains. He has been playing with terrible players the last two years and still he produced at a very satisfying level.

If you put him with two good players he is a first line center without a doubt.

Subban and Plekanec would fetch a lot more than Benn, Subban's value is real close to Benn and Plekanec's value is really good too.

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Oh wait so you added a third round pick for the stars? Damn I didn't see that. That changes everything
Alright so let's see your proposal to get both Subban+Pleks then. The habs hold Subban in just as high a light as Benn, if not more. Whether or not both teams would do it wasn't the point, the point was to try and gauge the value. I myself value Subban more than Benn, but pthers may feel differently. Plekanec is a very good #2 center or an average #1 center, on a very good contract, he well cost you a top prospect+ a 1st round pick. Otherwise it's not good enough value for the habs to move their best center.

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This deal would advantage the Habs by a large margin if you ask me. Benn is young and already an a lot better player than Pleky has ever been. Subban has a lot of skills, but Oleksiak and a Stars' 1st is probably worth more than him anyway.

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love how plekanecs is the throw-in, in this deal. **** the guy is underestimated

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Alright so let's see your proposal to get both Subban+Pleks then. The habs hold Subban in just as high a light as Benn, if not more. Whether or not both teams would do it wasn't the point, the point was to try and gauge the value. I myself value Subban more than Benn, but pthers may feel differently. Plekanec is a very good #2 center or an average #1 center, on a very good contract, he well cost you a top prospect+ a 1st round pick. Otherwise it's not good enough value for the habs to move their best center.
The thing is Stars fans don't want Subban & Plekanec so why would we value the same as our players who we want to keep and are biased towards. Benn and Subban have pretty equal value, some could value the other higher, but they are pretty close. Pleks is a pretty good #2 center, but Dallas is in no position to trade for a 33 year old center at the cost of their future. Smith/Oleksiak + 1st in a fairly deep draft is way more valuable to the Stars than Plekanec is to them its as simple as that.

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01-16-2013, 01:00 AM
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hey guys, this is my first time posting so be gentle lol

montreal gives up : P.K. subban and pleks

dalls gives up Jamie benn

thoughts??
too much he is my trade

To Montreal

Jamie Benn

To Dallas

PK Subban
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01-16-2013, 01:55 AM
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too much he is my trade

To Montreal

Jamie Benn

To Dallas

PK Subban
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Benn is worth more to the Stars than that. I would be surprised if there is ever any consensus about what should be added to Subban, and the Stars aren't interested in trading Benn anyways.

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01-16-2013, 07:44 AM
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Benn is worth more to the Stars than that. I would be surprised if there is ever any consensus about what should be added to Subban, and the Stars aren't interested in trading Benn anyways.
Yeah well the Habs aren't interested in trading Subban either and we sure as hell won't add anything to a package that brings over Benn. Benn = Subban value. /thread

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01-16-2013, 08:23 AM
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Yeah well the Habs aren't interested in trading Subban either and we sure as hell won't add anything to a package that brings over Benn. Benn = Subban value. /thread
This habs fan is very interested in Jamie Benn and will gladly add to Subban to get him. I would sooner add desharnais rather than Plekanac though. Plekanac could be the key piece in obtaining a defenceman back to replace Subban. Someone like a Bogosian who would make there own end a less desirable place to play. That would leave us with Benn, Galenchuk and Eller down the middle. We would still have Gorges, Emelin, Markov, Tinordi, Diaz, Weber, and Boullion. If it's not Bogosian, Plekanac will add a key piece to the Blueline. Free agency could bring that key piece there as well. The wings are half set and with a coupla prospects like Coyle and Saad combined with a coupla free agents will be big, fast and skilled.

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The thing is Stars fans don't want Subban & Plekanec so why would we value the same as our players who we want to keep and are biased towards. Benn and Subban have pretty equal value, some could value the other higher, but they are pretty close. Pleks is a pretty good #2 center, but Dallas is in no position to trade for a 33 year old center at the cost of their future. Smith/Oleksiak + 1st in a fairly deep draft is way more valuable to the Stars than Plekanec is to them its as simple as that.
Plekanec JUST turned 30 on Halloween.

Plekanec is a pretty good #1 centre; a VERY good #2. Do a little research first, however I generally agree with what you said about Benn and Subban. I, as a Habs fan (with Subban being one of my favourite players), would value Benn marginally higher. Albeit Benn IS from my home city so... haha

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Benn is worth more to the Stars than that. I would be surprised if there is ever any consensus about what should be added to Subban, and the Stars aren't interested in trading Benn anyways.
Subban is worth more than that to the Habs.

We've got: Desharnais, Plekanec, Eller and Galchenyuk is on the way. Undoubtedly Benn would be our #1, however we'd be giving up our #1 d-man for a relatively marginal (and possibly temporary) upgrade in our centre position.

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01-16-2013, 11:57 AM
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Just imagine a line with three beasts like Benn, patches and cole. Galy is much closer to being ready than people think. Long term, the trio of Benn, Galy and Eller down the middle would be solid. All 3 are big, strong and skilled. The trio of Plekanac, Subban and Desharnais can make that happen as well as returning us a defenceman to help offset the loss of Subban.

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Forget hockey value, just think dollar.

Dallas is having a hard time signing Benn. You think they want to add 5M a year from Plek and then have a hard time signing Subban instead?

It's financial non-sense without the habs taking substantial salary back. At least 6M. We are already buying back Gomez and have some lame ducks. We can't afford salary dump.

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Subban is worth more than that to the Habs.

We've got: Desharnais, Plekanec, Eller and Galchenyuk is on the way. Undoubtedly Benn would be our #1, however we'd be giving up our #1 d-man for a relatively marginal (and possibly temporary) upgrade in our centre position.
I don't disagree, but Stars fans didn't start this thread.

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Forget hockey value, just think dollar.

Dallas is having a hard time signing Benn. You think they want to add 5M a year from Plek and then have a hard time signing Subban instead?

It's financial non-sense without the habs taking substantial salary back. At least 6M. We are already buying back Gomez and have some lame ducks. We can't afford salary dump.
The Stars are in a good financial position and can certainly afford both Subban and Plekanec, considering the substantial salary coming off this summer from Morrow, Ryder, and Roy. It may not be wise to invest in Plekanec instead of an upcoming 2013 UFA, however.

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Plekanec JUST turned 30 on Halloween.

Plekanec is a pretty good #1 centre; a VERY good #2. Do a little research first, however I generally agree with what you said about Benn and Subban. I, as a Habs fan (with Subban being one of my favourite players), would value Benn marginally higher. Albeit Benn IS from my home city so... haha
My bad on the age, his turtleneck always makes me think he's older haha.

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I'm pretty sure this has been done to death. Neither team would do it as they value their own player (Benn for Dallas, Subban for Montreal) too highly.
You wouldn't do the deal in the OP? Seriously?

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Alright so let's see your proposal to get both Subban+Pleks then. The habs hold Subban in just as high a light as Benn, if not more. Whether or not both teams would do it wasn't the point, the point was to try and gauge the value. I myself value Subban more than Benn, but pthers may feel differently. Plekanec is a very good #2 center or an average #1 center, on a very good contract, he well cost you a top prospect+ a 1st round pick. Otherwise it's not good enough value for the habs to move their best center.
Are you sure you are a Wings fan? You almost sound like a rational Habs fan...

You are also 100% correct. Benn has slightly more value than Subban (a 3rd would about cover it). Plekanec has a lot more value than most people think. A blue chip prospect and a 1st would be needed to get him.

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This habs fan is very interested in Jamie Benn and will gladly add to Subban to get him.
Cool, hope you're never our GM, I think Toronto has an opening though.

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Are you sure you are a Wings fan? You almost sound like a rational Habs fan...

You are also 100% correct. Benn has slightly more value than Subban (a 3rd would about cover it). Plekanec has a lot more value than most people think. A blue chip prospect and a 1st would be needed to get him.


Thanks, being Canadian I hear about the habs quite a bit so it's only natural to pick up on who they value. But alas I am indeed a wings fan, I just try to listen to what fanbases say about their own players & try to work with it from there.

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Cool, hope you're never our GM, I think Toronto has an opening though.
If you ask all non-dallas and non-montreal fans who is more valuable, I bet that almost 90 per cent will not only lean toward Benn but they will say you would need at least a second to even it out. Everyone loves their own more . I get it. I seriously hope your never the gm if you wouldn't take Benn straight up over Subban.

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If you ask all non-dallas and non-montreal fans who is more valuable, I bet that almost 90 per cent will not only lean toward Benn but they will say you would need at least a second to even it out. Everyone loves their own more . I get it. I seriously hope your never the gm if you wouldn't take Benn straight up over Subban.
I don't think a good - but not dominant/superstar - forward is as important as a #1 (but not superstar) defenseman, that's all. Benn is great, love to have him... but he's not any better than Subban overall. I think they are about equivalent impact. So then it goes to team needs. Habs need everything but a goalie, really. They need a #1D too, though. So no sense in going lateral getting the 1st line forward and opening up a gap on D in the process. They're both RFAs too, with similar hurdles to clear in signing them, so there's no advantages to be gained there vs. Subban being on the sidelines. And I'll be GM one day, I'm sure, so there you have it... it's valid to not be willing to trade Subban straight up for Benn.

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I don't think a good - but not dominant/superstar - forward is as important as a #1 (but not superstar) defenseman, that's all. Benn is great, love to have him... but he's not any better than Subban overall. I think they are about equivalent impact. So then it goes to team needs. Habs need everything but a goalie, really. They need a #1D too, though. So no sense in going lateral getting the 1st line forward and opening up a gap on D in the process. They're both RFAs too, with similar hurdles to clear in signing them, so there's no advantages to be gained there vs. Subban being on the sidelines. And I'll be GM one day, I'm sure, so there you have it... it's valid to not be willing to trade Subban straight up for Benn.
I respect your opinion but if you discussed the strengths and weaknesses of both players it is really a no - brainer. How it is that Subban is irreplacible is beyond me. Mark my words that when/if Subban signs and he pulls some stupid stunt for attention, Therrien will lay into him like he's never had someone do before. Then he will be sulking on the bench and were gonna pay him Tyler Seguin type money for that. I really doubt that were gonna see an offer sheet for Subban for massive amounts because all teams will be wondering about the potential for dressing room problems. When you discuss intangibles between benn and Subban, there isn't gonna be much discussion. I hope the Bruins don't put together a package for him.

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If you ask all non-dallas and non-montreal fans who is more valuable, I bet that almost 90 per cent will not only lean toward Benn but they will say you would need at least a second to even it out. Everyone loves their own more . I get it. I seriously hope your never the gm if you wouldn't take Benn straight up over Subban.
Actually I'm the one saying they are worth equal value, there is no need to add a second. If Benn is valuable to Dalls, Subban is just as much to our defense. There is no disparity between the trade value or team value.

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I respect your opinion but if you discussed the strengths and weaknesses of both players it is really a no - brainer. How it is that Subban is irreplacible is beyond me. Mark my words that when/if Subban signs and he pulls some stupid stunt for attention, Therrien will lay into him like he's never had someone do before. Then he will be sulking on the bench and were gonna pay him Tyler Seguin type money for that. I really doubt that were gonna see an offer sheet for Subban for massive amounts because all teams will be wondering about the potential for dressing room problems. When you discuss intangibles between benn and Subban, there isn't gonna be much discussion. I hope the Bruins don't put together a package for him.
Well this post speaks volume of what your opinion on Subban is, never mind I said anything. Good day.

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