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01-16-2013, 03:08 PM
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Damn, Lamourillo just made Perry and Getzlaf much more expensive....

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I'm actually kind of encouraged by Zajac's deal. It makes an 8-yr deal in the (hopefully) low-to-mid 7's plausible for the twins.

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I'm actually kind of encouraged by Zajac's deal. It makes an 8-yr deal in the (hopefully) low-to-mid 7's plausible for the twins.
All it shows IMO is that a player much lower in talent and worth can get 8 years and almost 6 million a year.

I don't see how that benefits negotiations at all for Murray.

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01-16-2013, 04:26 PM
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If Zajac gets an 8 year deal, Getzlaf and Perry will demand (and should get) 8 year deals too. I shudder to think what either of them could fetch on the open market.

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I think Ducks want Perry and Getzlaf for 8 years, the question is about salary. 8y 7M slightly frontloaded?

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If Zajac gets an 8 year deal, Getzlaf and Perry will demand (and should get) 8 year deals too. I shudder to think what either of them could fetch on the open market.
They can ask for them, but it doesn't mean that ownership or Murray will give it to them.

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Well, there goes my hope of 6.25-6.75m x 8y. I think Getz will likely get over 7m x 8y now.

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They can ask for them, but it doesn't mean that ownership or Murray will give it to them.
Getzlaf and Perry are the guys you give those kind of deals to. I really hope ownership is willing to do what it takes to keep them. Unless they're asking for an absurd amount of $$ they should be given the max term.

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I read on ESPN that Samueli is pissed that the cap didn't come down more. Doesn't exactly give me hope to signing both. I really think there is zero chance that Bob trades either though, because I don't see either player giving a definitive 'no' as to if they will re-sign.

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Getzlaf and Perry are the guys you give those kind of deals to. I really hope ownership is willing to do what it takes to keep them. Unless they're asking for an absurd amount of $$ they should be given the max term.
I don't think term will be an issue. I am not worried at all about Getz. I'm sure they are just working on structure of the deal. However with Perry I am worried about a signing bonus. That's the thing I'm worried about. I believe that Murray would do 8 for 8 years but I'm worried that perry wants some type of bonus that we can't do upfront.

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They should be offered max term if we want to keep them. And it will need to be either 7.5-8.5M per year OR heavily front loaded like I posted a few pages ago to keep their attention. Hall got 6M for 7 years, Eberle 6M for 6 - there's no way Getzlaf or Perry take 6.5.

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8 years, 6.85 million a year each. NTC for both. Boom. Done.

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I don't think term will be an issue. I am not worried at all about Getz. I'm sure they are just working on structure of the deal. However with Perry I am worried about a signing bonus. That's the thing I'm worried about. I believe that Murray would do 8 for 8 years but I'm worried that perry wants some type of bonus that we can't do upfront.
Yeah I'm definitely more worried about Perry than Getz. If it came down to it I would rather keep Getzlaf due to positional needs even if Perry has been the better player the last two years. We can't afford to lose our only legitimate top 6 centre.

I hope if we do lose Perry he goes as far East as possible. Anywhere in the East except Pittsburgh.

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01-16-2013, 06:21 PM
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I read on ESPN that Samueli is pissed that the cap didn't come down more. Doesn't exactly give me hope to signing both. I really think there is zero chance that Bob trades either though, because I don't see either player giving a definitive 'no' as to if they will re-sign.
Do you have a link for that? I couldn't find anything about it.

(Asking for info, not calling you out)

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Getzlaf and Perry are the guys you give those kind of deals to. I really hope ownership is willing to do what it takes to keep them. Unless they're asking for an absurd amount of $$ they should be given the max term.
If you believe in giving those types of deals.

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Do you have a link for that? I couldn't find anything about it.

(Asking for info, not calling you out)
http://espn.go.com/nhl/preview2012/s...ason-questions

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Thanks. I guess they aren't getting as much profit sharing as they hoped for either.

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Thanks. I guess they aren't getting as much profit sharing as they hoped for either.
The poor billionaire isn't getting enough handouts.

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The poor billionaire isn't getting enough handouts.
As stated every time we discuss this, billionaires don't get to be billionaires pissing money away. Lets not derail the thread though. Agree to disagree.


It appears I'm wrong about front loading the contracts too - mid loading is the new front loading. Lebrun looks at the Zajak contract :

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2013-14 $3.5 million (includes $1 million in signing bonus)
2014-15 $5 million (includes $1 million in signing bonus)
2015-16 $6.5 million
2016-17 $6.5 million
2017-18 $6.5 million
2018-19 $6.5 million
2019-20 $5.75 million
2020-21 $5.75 million

The contract also includes a full no-trade clause throughout and, of course, is not front-loaded like the back-diving deals of the past CBA; the salary variance rule in the new CBA having its impact right off the hop.

Also, notice how the lowest salary amount comes next season in 2013-14 at $3.5 million? My guess is, Zajac’s camp, led by agent Kurt Overhardt, figured to protect against possible escrow payments. Certainly with the salary-cap allowance going down from $70.2 million to $64.3 million next season, escrow is a real possibility depending on how hockey-related revenue grows.

So a smart move by Overhardt and overall a heck of a contract done by the veteran agent.

Not sure most people would have pegged Zajac at $5.75 million a year. But I think it speaks to the respect Devils GM Lou Lamoriello has for his No. 1 center, and a strong belief that Zajac’s best hockey is front of him. I agree on that.
The Ducks are going to hate every part of this.


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A $64.3M Ducks team can afford $15M on Getz and Perry, but will desperately need some young guys to come through and be productive.

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If you believe in giving those types of deals.

Do we have any other choice?

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Do we have any other choice?
Exactly, if we don't we're going to struggle to keep the majority of our star players once they hit UFA. If Nashville can offer Suter a cirumvention contract (I know he signed in Minnesota but Nashville still offered a 13 year $90M deal) and match the one Philly signed Weber to then I see no reason why our ownership can't fork out for our two franchise guys under a far more favorable CBA.

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Do we have any other choice?
I wouldn't count on Murray breaking his stance on contract length just because Lou did it.

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I wouldn't count on Murray breaking his stance on contract length just because Lou did it.
For players as special as Getzlaf and Perry he may have to break that stance to keep them in Anaheim. If either says they want to stay on a max-length contract but Murray is the one that wont give in, then we need to look in another direction at GM IMO. Its not every day youd get the chance to lock players like those two up on your team.

But who knows where negotiations are headed. Id be just as thrilled with a 5 year deal too.

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For players as special as Getzlaf and Perry he may have to break that stance to keep them in Anaheim. If either says they want to stay on a max-length contract but Murray is the one that wont give in, then we need to look in another direction at GM IMO. Its not every day youd get the chance to lock players like those two up on your team.

But who knows where negotiations are headed. Id be just as thrilled with a 5 year deal too.
What makes you think that his views aren't shared by the owners?

I think Murray might soften his stance and give a year or two over five, but I just don't see eight year contracts going out.

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