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01-16-2013, 03:39 PM
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Zajac has 15 goals. 50 points in his last 97 games, yet he gets 8 years at $5.75 million. Absolutely idiotic. Why was there a lockout?
He's kinda cherry picking stats a bit, picking his down year and then a year coming back from major surgery as well.

If zajac can get back to his 09-10 for he will at least make the deal look respectable, but that term is the scariest thing IMO.

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its one thing to say the big 4 forwards have more value than subban, but schultz are you serious?
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And overestimating Subban. He gets hyped because he's in Montreal. He's not that great.

Wow to that Zajac contract. Glad we got our boys locked up last year. Holy smokes, New Jersey is going to be terrible in a few years.

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- There's a limit to how much a team can spend on player salaries each year.
- There's a limit to how much a team can spend on a single player each year.
- Teams can no longer hide players in the minors or reduce cap hits by giving long term back-diving contracts.

With those 3 things in place, how a team choses to distribute that money amongst its players is almost irrelevant. Especially since Zajac wasn't an RFA so the contract can't be used as a comparable in other players' arbitration hearings. The Zajac deal does nothing to "go against the spirit of the lockout".
The first two were there before. What was so bad about the Gomez deal or Redden deal compared to this Zajac one? Yet those two were issues that had to have a special clause worked in.

What's even worse now that you can't hide players what exactly happens when there are numerous Gomez and Redden's stuck on teams throughout the league?

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He's kinda cherry picking stats a bit, picking his down year and then a year coming back from major surgery as well.

If zajac can get back to his 09-10 for he will at least make the deal look respectable, but that term is the scariest thing IMO.
With a term that long, you would have thought the Devils would have gotten a discount on salary, especially since there's a no trade in there...but 8 years at 5.75m + No trade for a guy who had a career high of 25 goals, and then dropped to 13 goals in the following season is just a bad contract.

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Looks like we got Hall and Ebs signed at the right time...

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He's kinda cherry picking stats a bit, picking his down year and then a year coming back from major surgery as well.

If zajac can get back to his 09-10 for he will at least make the deal look respectable, but that term is the scariest thing IMO.
what i dont like is gagner's numbers are the same

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Why? Over spending was a part of the issue.
GMs are always going to be stupid, all you can do is limit the damage it causes to the rest of the league.

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The first two were there before. What was so bad about the Gomez deal or Redden deal compared to this Zajac one? Yet those two were issues that had to have a special clause worked in.
The Gomez and Redden deals were signed under the old rules. The buyout option was introduced because the new CBA had a much lower revenue split for the players and because teams were no longer going to be off the hook for the contracts of players playing in the minors. The compliance buyout clause wasn't put in the CBA because of Redden and Gomez. The "excellerated buyout" issue (or whatever they called it) also had nothing to do with Gomez or Redden's contract, it was put in because of how New Jersey and Montreal decided to excersize it.

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What's even worse now that you can't hide players what exactly happens when there are numerous Gomez and Redden's stuck on teams throughout the league?
That's the Devils' problem, not the league's. If they run into cap trouble 6-7 years from now because they paid Zajac too much money, then they'll have to explore some other way of getting under the cap.

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The Gomez and Redden deals were signed under the old rules. The buyout option was introduced because the new CBA had a much lower revenue split for the players and because teams were no longer going to be off the hook for the contracts of players playing in the minors. The compliance buyout clause wasn't put in the CBA because of Redden and Gomez. The "excellerated buyout" issue (or whatever they called it) also had nothing to do with Gomez or Redden's contract, it was put in because of how New Jersey and Montreal decided to excersize it.



That's the Devils' problem, not the league's. If they run into cap trouble 6-7 years from now because they paid Zajac too much money, then they'll have to explore some other way of getting under the cap.
Hence another lockout, so ya it is the leagues issue.

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01-16-2013, 04:08 PM
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The beauty of the new CBA is that teams can sign players to bad deals like this, but it will effect them more now that they can't back load or front load the deal as they could in the previous CBA. So the Devils wanted to sign Zajac to this absurd deal? Okay. It'll look good on them in 3 or 4 years when they can't rid themselves of it.

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The beauty of the new CBA is that teams can sign players to bad deals like this, but it will effect them more now that they can't back load or front load the deal as they could in the previous CBA. So the Devils wanted to sign Zajac to this absurd deal? Okay. It'll look good on them in 3 or 4 years when they can't rid themselves of it.
That's not going to be a good thing when it's happening to the majority of the league.

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Does anyone else feel that Zajac will trend exactly into the same category as Horcoff, Redden, and Gomez. A player that will never live up to that contract.

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That's not going to be a good thing when it's happening to the majority of the league.
If that were to happen, then the end result would be a big fat escrow cheque cut by the players at the end of the year, to sum up.

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01-16-2013, 04:32 PM
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Does anyone else feel that Zajac will trend exactly into the same category as Horcoff, Redden, and Gomez. A player that will never live up to that contract.
Yes

He's signing it at a younger age though, so he won't drop off so early in the contract.

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01-16-2013, 04:43 PM
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Lets be honest here...does Hemsky last the season here? Im thinking writing is on the wall, regardless of the new contract.
I wouldn't mind trading him and Gagner in for free agents like Clowe and Ribero if they don't improve this season

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Holy crap is that Zajac contract awful

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01-16-2013, 06:00 PM
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what i dont like is gagner's numbers are the same
If Gagner goes to arbitration it could be dicey, because his numbers are not that bad.

Zajac is really a very different type of player. He is an excellent two way center who could be a regular Selke candidate who has had a pair of recent 60+ point seasons. If he could return to those numbers, which might be tough with the current Devil's roster then I would not see $5-6M as being too much. But at just under $6M he will need to bounce back on the score sheet or it will not be a great deal for the Devils.

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01-16-2013, 06:06 PM
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Holy crap is that Zajac contract awful
You obviously dont watch him play

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The problem with the Zajac contract is the term. I agree he is a great player because of his contributions that don't show up in the boxscore, but forwards peak earlier than defencemen. He can probably play up to the level of the cap hit for the first 3 years, but I think it is unlikely he will be anything more than a 40-50 point second line center in years 4-8. I would be much more comfortable offering a 27 year old defencemen an 8 year contract than a 27 year old forward.

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Does anyone else feel that Zajac will trend exactly into the same category as Horcoff, Redden, and Gomez. A player that will never live up to that contract.
Haha, yup. Can they buy out his contract in 2 summers even though they signed him post lockout?

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01-16-2013, 06:26 PM
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Haha, yup. Can they buy out his contract in 2 summers even though they signed him post lockout?
Didn't NJ file for bankruptcy protection not to long ago, or something like that. Contracts like this one, no wonder the owner is broke.

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You obviously dont watch him play
I don't care how good he is defensively or the inatngibles he brings. The guy scored 44 pts in his last full season and 6 pts in 15 games last season although the injury was probably still affecting him.
The point is that the Devils are paying him based on what he did 2 seasons ago. Based on the last 2 seasons, that term and cap hit is way too much IMO.

Kesler for instance who i think is a better player got 5 mil/yr over 6 years and that was in a rising cap world. That would be the max that i would have expected Zajac to get.
8 years $46 mil is crazy money for Zajac. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player who i would have loved to have on the Oilers but he is not worth that amount of money.

It seems like Lamorillo panicked due to losing Parise and felt forced to overpay Zajac out of fear of losing another important player.
It seems to parallel the Oilers situation when Lowe panicked and overpaid to keep Horcoff due to fear of losing him like he did with Smyth. At least Horcoff came off of a 73 pt season and an All Star season. Zajac has just had 2 down years.


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01-16-2013, 07:11 PM
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Coyotes pick up Lombardi for a 4th round pick. 3rd if he re-signs. Toronto eats the signing bonus of $500 000 and retains some salary. Maloney might be the most under appreciated GM in the NHL because of the market he is in. This is a great deal for them IMO.

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I'd never post this on the main forums bc I'd get roasted but isn't it proven that, on average, a player hits his prime at age 25, and then declines fairly linearly afterwards?

As a case for this: I think Jerome's best seasons were around 6-8 years ago. He's still a decent player, but he's not the player he was.

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