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01-16-2013, 06:23 PM
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in a city where the media and fans alike are quick to praise a player one day and completely dismiss that same player the next... you'd think the love that players like PK, Pacioretty and Price get would mean something.

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01-16-2013, 06:28 PM
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in a city where the media and fans alike are quick to praise a player one day and completely dismiss that same player the next... you'd think the love that players like PK, Pacioretty and Price get would mean something.
You make a great point. Although, I don´t think it`s the one you mean to make.

Both Pernell and Carey have spent time under the bus...only now absence has made hearts grow fond again, and unlike middle-of-the-season Pernell, he`s new-season Pernell. He`s got that new season smell....

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01-16-2013, 06:32 PM
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You make a great point. Although, I don´t think it`s the one you mean to make.

Both Pernell and Carey have spent time under the bus...only now absence has made hearts grow fond again, and unlike middle-of-the-season Pernell, he`s new-season Pernell. He`s got that new season smell....
Are you saying mid season Pernell stinked? I get your analogy but I don't see how if PK was bad last year we would all of a sudden forget it. Outside of him and Gorges our defense was atrocious.

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01-16-2013, 06:40 PM
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You make a great point. Although, I don´t think it`s the one you mean to make.

Both Pernell and Carey have spent time under the bus...only now absence has made hearts grow fond again, and unlike middle-of-the-season Pernell, he`s new-season Pernell. He`s got that new season smell....
Price has only ever spent time under the bus a few years back - and the Habs had Halak to compensate for that.

as for PK, he was getting some flak in 2010-11 because he was trying to do everything on his own and he got benched a few times for it.

after that, he's blossomed quite well.

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01-16-2013, 07:02 PM
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Oilers make the most sense as a trade partner.

To MTL- Yakupov, Petry
To EDM- Subban, Kristo

Habs get back a PMD which they would need if Subban left. They of course get Galchenyuk's winger. Oilers get the best player and an o.k. young winger who maybe can step in after Hemsky is done.

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01-16-2013, 07:05 PM
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Oilers make the most sense as a trade partner.

To MTL- Yakupov, Petry
To EDM- Subban, Kristo

Habs get back a PMD which they would need if Subban left. They of course get Galchenyuk's winger. Oilers get the best player and an o.k. young winger who maybe can step in after Hemsky is done.

Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole
Eller-Plekanec-Gionta
Bourque-Galchenyuk-Yakupov
Prust-Moen-Armstrong

Markov-Petry
Kaberle-Gorges
Bouillon-Emelin

Hartikainen-RNH-Eberle
Hall-Gagner-Hemsky
Smyth-Horcoff-Jones
Eager-Belanger-Petrell

Smid-Subban
Schultz-Schultz
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01-16-2013, 07:05 PM
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Petry wouldn't fill the massive hole left by PK.

as much as MTL would love a player like Yakupov, he's not worth losing our best defenseman.

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01-16-2013, 07:06 PM
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Oilers make the most sense as a trade partner.

To MTL- Yakupov, Petry
To EDM- Subban, Kristo

Habs get back a PMD which they would need if Subban left. They of course get Galchenyuk's winger. Oilers get the best player and an o.k. young winger who maybe can step in after Hemsky is done.

Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole
Eller-Plekanec-Gionta
Bourque-Galchenyuk-Yakupov
Prust-Moen-Armstrong

Markov-Petry
Kaberle-Gorges
Bouillon-Emelin

Hartikainen-RNH-Eberle
Hall-Gagner-Hemsky
Smyth-Horcoff-Jones
Eager-Belanger-Petrell

Smid-Subban
Schultz-Schultz
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You sure you want to trade Yakupov ?

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01-16-2013, 07:11 PM
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You sure you want to trade Yakupov ?
For a defensemans who could have 50, 60 points yes. Oilers can't win if Petry is on the first pair. Schultz might get there soon but he's not there yet. P.K. does it all- hits scores shoots- and can play as good defense as any young PMD.

Not having Yakupov would be too bad since he has looked good with Hemsky but oh well. You have to give to get and there are lots of second line wingers who can be signed or traded for to get #4 back to the first line.

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01-16-2013, 07:14 PM
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For a defensemans who could have 50, 60 points yes. Oilers can't win if Petry is on the first pair. Schultz might get there soon but he's not there yet. P.K. does it all- hits scores shoots- and can play as good defense as any young PMD.

Not having Yakupov would be too bad since he has looked good with Hemsky but oh well. You have to give to get and there are lots of second line wingers who can be signed or traded for to get #4 back to the first line.
Horrible justification for that trade. You're giving up a superior asset in Yakupov plus a top-4 defenseman in Petry for a guy who's never hit 40 points before. Yet you're talking about him as a guy who could have 50-60??

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So basically he is asking for something like what Myers got. $5sumthin mil for 7 years. They are on similar levels, so thats not ridiculous. But for whatever reason, Mtl management doesn't see it that way. Weird.

Edit: 7 years not 10, thinking of Ehrhoff.


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01-16-2013, 07:19 PM
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So basically he is asking for something like what Myers got. $5sumthin mil for 10 years. They are on similar levels, so thats not ridiculous. But for whatever reason, Mtl management doesn't see it that way. Weird.
Myers signed for 7 years, and Montreal fans want Subban to agree to a 3 or 4 year deal..no wonder he hasn't signed yet.

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01-16-2013, 07:23 PM
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Myers signed for 7 years, and Montreal fans want Subban to agree to a 3 or 4 year deal..no wonder he hasn't signed yet.
...because montreal fans are doing the negotiating
if you knew anything about the habs you'd see that guys like pacioretty
and price signed for two years after their entry level deals to 'prove' their worth and then made out with long-term, generous contracts.

but keep on trollin' along

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01-16-2013, 07:25 PM
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Horrible justification for that trade. You're giving up a superior asset in Yakupov plus a top-4 defenseman in Petry for a guy who's never hit 40 points before. Yet you're talking about him as a guy who could have 50-60??
What makes Yakupov superior. Subban plays 24 minutes every night 18 of them on even strength time and was in on 56% of MTL's powerplay goals.

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Petry wouldn't fill the massive hole left by PK.

as much as MTL would love a player like Yakupov, he's not worth losing our best defenseman.
Plus, he's blossomed quite well, plus you'd think the love that players like pk, Pacio., and Price get would mean something.


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01-16-2013, 07:39 PM
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He deserves a boat load of cash, long term. The interest he brings to the team alone is worth a few extra bucks imo. One of the better dmen in the league, young, hits like a freight train, cannon for a shot, yet commits the occasional horrid turnover from handling the puck so much for 25 minutes a night, it's worth close to 6 mil long term these days.

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Subban grew up a Habs fan, evident by the fact his father is a Habs fan and passed it along to him.
Sounds like hes doing what any good dad should do.

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Horrible justification for that trade. You're giving up a superior asset in Yakupov plus a top-4 defenseman in Petry for a guy who's never hit 40 points before. Yet you're talking about him as a guy who could have 50-60??
His justification is not bad at all.

First, Petry is a top-4 defenseman in Edmonton and not in many other places, let's get that straight.

Now obviously Yakupov has a ton of potential but we don't know exactly what he'll be yet. You are comparing two very promising young players in Subban and Yakupov, but you are holding them to different standards by labelling Subban as "a guy who's never hit 40 points before". Well that guy is 23 year old defenseman, and by "never hit 40 points" you mean almost hit 40 points in each of his two NHL seasons.

That's not a fair description of Subban's accomplishments or potential. You might as well criticize Yakupov for never hitting 40 points while you're at it.

There's not much doubt that in general Yakupov would be considered a more valuable asset than Subban. But consider that from the Oiler's perspective Yakupov's value is ever so slightly lowered by the fact that they are spoiled with three other young and equally talented players ahead of him on the depth chart, and Subban's value is raised because their defense is abysmal.

So a trade centred are Yakupov-Subban does make sense for the Oilers, it's just a matter of having the balls to trade away a 19 year old first overall pick, even if it's for a great young defenseman. It could definitely work out in the Oiler's favour.

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His justification is not bad at all.

First, Petry is a top-4 defenseman in Edmonton and not in many other places, let's get that straight.

Now obviously Yakupov has a ton of potential but we don't know exactly what he'll be yet. You are comparing two very promising young players in Subban and Yakupov, but you are holding them to different standards by labelling Subban as "a guy who's never hit 40 points before". Well that guy is 23 year old defenseman, and by "never hit 40 points" you mean almost hit 40 points in each of his two NHL seasons.

That's not a fair description of Subban's accomplishments or potential. You might as well criticize Yakupov for never hitting 40 points while you're at it.

There's not much doubt that in general Yakupov would be considered a more valuable asset than Subban. But consider that from the Oiler's perspective Yakupov's value is ever so slightly lowered by the fact that they are spoiled with three other young and equally talented players ahead of him on the depth chart, and Subban's value is raised because their defense is abysmal.

So a trade centred are Yakupov-Subban does make sense for the Oilers, it's just a matter of having the balls to trade away a 19 year old first overall pick, even if it's for a great young defenseman. It could definitely work out in the Oiler's favour.
This. The Habs just could not afford to trade Subban. We just do not have anyone to replace him.

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Oilers make the most sense as a trade partner.

To MTL- Yakupov, Petry
To EDM- Subban, Kristo

Habs get back a PMD which they would need if Subban left. They of course get Galchenyuk's winger. Oilers get the best player and an o.k. young winger who maybe can step in after Hemsky is done.

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Hall-Gagner-Hemsky
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That's a HORRIBLE deal for the Oilers! Petry is gonna be a very good d-man in his own right.

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...because montreal fans are doing the negotiating
if you knew anything about the habs you'd see that guys like pacioretty
and price signed for two years after their entry level deals to 'prove' their worth and then made out with long-term, generous contracts.

but keep on trollin' along
You think Price proved his worth? PK should get paid like a #1 dman. He has been the Habs #1 dman for 2 years and you tell him to prove his worth? LOL. I really hope Bergevin doesn't think the same way.

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As an Oilers fan I want and need no part of PK Subban and especially the contract he wants unless it's lower prospects and picks. Eberle, RNH, Hall, Yakupov and Schultz are off the table period.

He already thinks he's elite and wants to be paid as elite, which he is not.

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This. The Habs just could not afford to trade Subban. We just do not have anyone to replace him.
This is the most important point. He wants a lot of money, but you guys don't have anybody else to replace him, so at the end of the day he will probably get a lot more money/term than he is worth.

As an Oilers fan I can say that potential 1/2 defensemen, never mind 3/4 defensemen, don't grow on trees.

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As an Oilers fan I want and need no part of PK Subban and especially the contract he wants unless it's lower prospects and picks. Eberle, RNH, Hall, Yakupov and Schultz are off the table period.

He already thinks he's elite and wants to be paid as elite, which he is not.
How sure are you about that?

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150,000 percent. What has he done that is elite? What if very good is as good as he's going to get and doesn't get better? Do the Habs want to be holding the bag for 6-7 years of that at big money?

I think 4-5 mil a year is more fair for him than 6-7 mil a year.

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