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Senators vs Maple leafs(Honest discussion)

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Sens now and later 239 85.05%
Leafs now and later 13 4.63%
Sens now, Leafs later 23 8.19%
Leafs now, Sens later 6 2.14%
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01-16-2013, 06:00 PM
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Phaneuf is physical but hes average defensively. Im sure his physicalness annoys them but i bet they love playing against him.

My reasoning for him not being a #1 has nothing to do with what team he plays for. I was just saying he gets #1 minutes not because he deserves it but because they have no one else.
I know this is just semantics, but he was the #1 dman for team Canada in the world championship and he was the #1 dman for team canada on the greatest world junior team of all time so even if he isn't playing like it right now, he has that potential.

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01-16-2013, 08:23 PM
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Even Leafs fans will admit its the Sens -- unless there are big changes for the Leafs.

It's the Sens now and for the next few years. But the Leafs and Sens are pretty close as of right now. I just think we have a bit better goaltending, and our coaching seems to be a success. Although, our D worries me a touch this next year. But I feel like the young guys can come out and bring it.


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01-16-2013, 08:24 PM
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I know this is just semantics, but he was the #1 dman for team Canada in the world championship and he was the #1 dman for team canada on the greatest world junior team of all time so even if he isn't playing like it right now, he has that potential.
He has potential, but he has not been playing like he is that player he was when he was in the Juniors and such.

He can get there again, but he's regressed and seemingly gotten a little lazy when things get tough over the last few years.

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01-16-2013, 08:42 PM
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Sens just have all the pieces lined up and most of them are young. Goaltending should be fine (think Lehner is gonna be a gem). Their defense is spotty IMO, but they have Karlsson so who cares about the other 5 (praying Rielly can become even a Karlsson-lite). Forwards probably pretty even, I'm not as high on Silfverberg (sp?) as most Sens fans are, and Alfie probably doesn't have much gas left but Leafs forwards are pretty meh outside of Kessel and maybe JVR/Grabo/Kulemin.

So Sens definitely right now, and most likely in the future.

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01-16-2013, 08:54 PM
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It's pretty even right now, both are bubble playoff teams as I see it. Wouldn't be shocked if either teams finishes above the other. Sens in the future though.

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01-17-2013, 02:14 AM
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Sens now, Leafs later, simply because the Leafs have to not suck eventually, right??

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01-17-2013, 02:20 AM
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Karlsson+Lehner+Zibanejad+Silfverberg=Ottawa wins this.

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01-17-2013, 06:56 AM
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I know this is just semantics, but he was the #1 dman for team Canada in the world championship and he was the #1 dman for team canada on the greatest world junior team of all time so even if he isn't playing like it right now, he has that potential.
He was also traded out of Calgary for spare parts. That's not something that happens to #1 defencemen.

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01-17-2013, 07:12 AM
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He was also traded out of Calgary for spare parts. That's not something that happens to #1 defencemen.
Remember when Ottawa let Chara walk for less than spare parts?


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01-17-2013, 07:22 AM
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Remember when Ottawa let Chara walk for less than spare parts?
You mean right into a 5 year contract at the league maximum for the time?

One of these things is not like the other.

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01-17-2013, 07:22 AM
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It is so hard to predict what will happen in the future when there will be a new draft every year and new players will be added by several different means every year, but going by just what the have now it is quite easily the Sens.

It could change if the Leafs get to draft the next Shea Weber or Tavares. There is just no way to see that right now.

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01-17-2013, 07:25 AM
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You mean right into a 5 year contract at the league maximum for the time?

One of these things is not like the other.
To be fair, I thought they said they could sign one of Chara or Redden and they chose Redden. They had to choose, it didn't work out the best for them, they still made it to the finals in the first year they didn't have Chara.

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To be fair, I thought they said they could sign one of Chara or Redden and they chose Redden. They had to choose, it didn't work out the best for them, they still made it to the finals in the first year they didn't have Chara.
Redden was asking for 6.5 M over 3 years. Chara was asking for 7.5 M over 5 years (league maximum).

Chara had just come off a season where he broke his wrist and played poorly against the Sabres.

Ottawa had to make space to re-sign Heatley and Spezza down the road and were already close to the cap.

Ultimately, it was the wrong choice, obviously, but it's not as if it was as simple as Redden or Chara.

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01-17-2013, 07:33 AM
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You mean right into a 5 year contract at the league maximum for the time?

One of these things is not like the other.
Is Chara not a #1 defenseman which was moved? His argument was all kinds of ridiculous, so I can just use another non-Ottawa top player moved for spare parts if you'd like.

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Is Chara not a #1 defenseman which was moved?
He wasn't moved.

He chose to sign somewhere else for the league maximum.

Redden was willing to sign for $6M if Chara would also. Zdeno felt he was worth more.

Zdeno decided to go elsewhere, as was his right as a free agent.

If you can't see the difference between being unable to resign a guy, and trading him away, then I'm not sure what to say.

The situations are only comparable if you think Phaneuf would be able to command the league maximum for five years after his contract is up.

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Redden was asking for 6.5 M over 3 years. Chara was asking for 7.5 M over 5 years (league maximum).

Chara had just come off a season where he broke his wrist and played poorly against the Sabres.

Ottawa had to make space to re-sign Heatley and Spezza down the road and were already close to the cap.

Ultimately, it was the wrong choice, obviously, but it's not as if it was as simple as Redden or Chara.
I get that they made the choice they made with the information available to them, I bet a lot of other teams would have done the same thing if they were in the Sens situation.

I was just saying that I thought they said they had to choose between the 2 and they chose Redden and it worked out fine for one year.

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Leafs just got an extra 4th rd pick in 2014, we definitely now have the better future.

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One thing i do know is that regardless of Ottawa being better now and in the future is that Toronto will still manage to win the season series.

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01-17-2013, 08:25 AM
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Ottawa is better, by a fairly considerable margin, but neither team has the horses to make it past the 2nd round in the foreseeable future

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[QUOTE=HockeyGuruPitka;57724003]One thing i do know is that regardless of Ottawa being better now and in the future is that Toronto will still manage to win the season series.[/QUOT

I highly doubt that

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One thing i do know is that regardless of Ottawa being better now and in the future is that Toronto will still manage to win the season series.
Oh wow. Burn.

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01-17-2013, 03:56 PM
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He was also traded out of Calgary for spare parts. That's not something that happens to #1 defencemen.
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One thing i do know is that regardless of Ottawa being better now and in the future is that Toronto will still manage to win the season series.


Haven't both teams won 3 games each for the past couple of years?

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One thing i do know is that regardless of Ottawa being better now and in the future is that Toronto will still manage to win the season series.
Doesn't Ottawa have a significant edge since the lockout?

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Doesn't Ottawa have a significant edge since the lockout?
The first two years after the lockout they spanked the leafs. But after that leafs have 4 more wins head to head.

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