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01-16-2013, 10:53 PM
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Its tough to say that but as much as I would like the habs to win this year is the perfect year to have a bad season. 48 games, a strong draft crop, 4 pick in the top 60. But the thing is the team is not as bad as they played last year if everyone is healthy and i fear Michel Therrien is the kind of coach to get us in the 7 to 10 spot in the conference and an early playoff exit.

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01-16-2013, 11:03 PM
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We'll be in the top 10 of the draft. Pretty certain of it. That could still mean we fight for a playoff spot though.

The bottom line is it's very hard to put 3 teams in the East behind us, let alone 7. And this is assuming Subban is there from the start...which looks more and more unlikely.

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01-17-2013, 12:00 AM
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If Timmins feels he has to make an early pick from the Q there are lots of options this year no matter where the Habs finish the season.

Top 10
-MacKinnon
-Drouin
-Erne

10-20

-Gauthier
-Zykov
-Fucale

20-30
-Duclair
-Morin
-Mantha

30-40
-Sorensen
-Dauphin
-Carrier

40-50
-Dunn
-Poirier
-Desrosiers

50-60
-Etchegarry
-Kostalek
-Diaby

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01-17-2013, 12:21 AM
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Dickinson looked like he didn't belong in that group, a little lost or confused which is too bad.

Roy looked a little raw but still worth using one of our 2nds on and Nurse moved up a few spots on my list.
Roy was horrible and Morin did not make a good impression to me...

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01-17-2013, 12:31 AM
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Mantha has a lot of upside, but having seen him twice this weekend and again tonight, he has high bust potential. His decision-making with the puck is worrisome, and he's often invisible on the ice. I could see him becoming a very frustrating player to watch. I wouldn't wanna take a chance early on him and miss out on my first rounder, especially this year.

Subban is an exciting and intriguing talent, but he played zero defense. I don't know if it's usually the case but he was dead set on jumping the play every chance he could get.
Mantha is a goal scorer. A James Neal. Scoring goals will be his bread and butter. He's going to have to learn that trying to beat a D 1v1 at the other level (or against better competition) won't cut it.

Also, I thought Subban had an active stick while playing defense. I wasn't focusing on him all night but I don't recall seeing him getting beat 1v1. Coaches will have to teach him when to jump in the play like that. The knock on him is his size and defensive plays.

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01-17-2013, 02:10 AM
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Okay, my thoughts on the Top Prospects Games. One of the best TPG ever. Going to be a great draft. Definitely best draft since been doing TPG. Good to see Mike McPhee again, he sure has changed since his playing days. Would not have recognized him if met him.

- Drouin may be a bit overhyped. Not the player I was expecting after reading some posts on here this year. But, every year always a few top ones who get overhyped.

- Monahan similar to Drouin. Was expecting more, they are good but not future stars.

- Petan going to be better than we been hearing. Close to Drouin in skill. I think Drouin got more hype because of linemates. Petan can put the points up.

- Morin was impressive with, has it all, size, wheels, toughness. Won't be much difference between him, Zadorov or Jones. Jones may ink out a bit more offernse but Morin/Zadarov could be dominating physical d-men in NHL someday.

- Erne I liked, has a shot and knack for being in right place at right time. Going to be a good NHLer someday.

- Mantha I was less impressed with. I think his hype this year maybe due to him being a year older than most other draftees. Very lackadaisal, no hustle, if he made his feet move he would be a star though.

- Gauthier, similar to Mantha, too laid back- no hustle. Mantha and Gauthier reminds me of former Hab Latendresse.

- Subban is better than I thought. Can skate with puck and create scoring chances will be ticket to NHL. So small be different player than PK though.

- Domi has a little spit and energy to him, hands good enough to be decent 2nd line NHL center someday.

- Nurse going to be a good one also, not the level of a Jones or Morin. But roughed, solid, he was caught off guard by a lefty in a fight. Common for 18 year old though.

- Dauphin suprised me, never heard of him before. One of those guys we hear at this game and keep an eye on for rest of year.

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01-17-2013, 04:33 AM
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Okay, my thoughts on the Top Prospects Games. One of the best TPG ever. Going to be a great draft. Definitely best draft since been doing TPG. Good to see Mike McPhee again, he sure has changed since his playing days. Would not have recognized him if met him.

- Drouin may be a bit overhyped. Not the player I was expecting after reading some posts on here this year. But, every year always a few top ones who get overhyped.

- Monahan similar to Drouin. Was expecting more, they are good but not future stars.

- Petan going to be better than we been hearing. Close to Drouin in skill. I think Drouin got more hype because of linemates. Petan can put the points up.

- Morin was impressive with, has it all, size, wheels, toughness. Won't be much difference between him, Zadorov or Jones. Jones may ink out a bit more offernse but Morin/Zadarov could be dominating physical d-men in NHL someday.

- Erne I liked, has a shot and knack for being in right place at right time. Going to be a good NHLer someday.

- Mantha I was less impressed with. I think his hype this year maybe due to him being a year older than most other draftees. Very lackadaisal, no hustle, if he made his feet move he would be a star though.

- Gauthier, similar to Mantha, too laid back- no hustle. Mantha and Gauthier reminds me of former Hab Latendresse.

- Subban is better than I thought. Can skate with puck and create scoring chances will be ticket to NHL. So small be different player than PK though.

- Domi has a little spit and energy to him, hands good enough to be decent 2nd line NHL center someday.

- Nurse going to be a good one also, not the level of a Jones or Morin. But roughed, solid, he was caught off guard by a lefty in a fight. Common for 18 year old though.

- Dauphin suprised me, never heard of him before. One of those guys we hear at this game and keep an eye on for rest of year.
Gauthier has absolutely nothing in common with Latendresse. Nothing. And laid-back does not do him justice at all. As for Mantha, consistency is a bigger issue but he has much wheels than Latendresse.

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01-17-2013, 04:39 AM
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"Jordan Subban and Frederik Gauthier impressed Edwards on Team Cherry.

"Gauthier played a solid two-way game," Edward said. "He's so smart and skilled and he won most draws."

Team Cherry's best scoring chance came early in the third period on a rare power play — just one of three in the game — but Desrosiers made a nice stop on Hartman's point-blank one-timer."

http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/sports/sto...ts-130116.html

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01-17-2013, 06:23 AM
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What are the chances of Jordan Subban being converted to a forward?

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01-17-2013, 06:36 AM
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What are the chances of Jordan Subban being converted to a forward?
I still remember fans wanted PK subban converted to forward on the basis that as a dman he would be defensively weak PP specialist.

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01-17-2013, 06:50 AM
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If Timmins feels he has to make an early pick from the Q there are lots of options this year no matter where the Habs finish the season.

Top 10
-MacKinnon
-Drouin
-Erne

10-20

-Gauthier
-Zykov
-Fucale

20-30
-Duclair
-Morin
-Mantha

30-40
-Sorensen
-Dauphin
-Carrier

40-50
-Dunn
-Poirier
-Desrosiers

50-60
-Etchegarry
-Kostalek
-Diaby
Fucale won't go 1st round let alone mid 1st unless he has a monster finish and playoffs. He's been pretty mediocre so far this year. Zykov is more likely to be a 25-40 pick than mid 1st also, Morin too. Mantha could go top 20 though.

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01-17-2013, 06:51 AM
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What are the chances of Jordan Subban being converted to a forward?
Why, speedy forwards are a dime a dozen. Guys like Subban you draft them 3rd or 4th round, give them 3-4 years to grow and learn defense and you end up with(at least) a #5-6 that can boost your PP.

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01-17-2013, 06:55 AM
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Okay, my thoughts on the Top Prospects Games. One of the best TPG ever. Going to be a great draft. Definitely best draft since been doing TPG. Good to see Mike McPhee again, he sure has changed since his playing days. Would not have recognized him if met him.

- Drouin may be a bit overhyped. Not the player I was expecting after reading some posts on here this year. But, every year always a few top ones who get overhyped.

- Monahan similar to Drouin. Was expecting more, they are good but not future stars.

- Petan going to be better than we been hearing. Close to Drouin in skill. I think Drouin got more hype because of linemates. Petan can put the points up.

- Morin was impressive with, has it all, size, wheels, toughness. Won't be much difference between him, Zadorov or Jones. Jones may ink out a bit more offernse but Morin/Zadarov could be dominating physical d-men in NHL someday.

- Erne I liked, has a shot and knack for being in right place at right time. Going to be a good NHLer someday.

- Mantha I was less impressed with. I think his hype this year maybe due to him being a year older than most other draftees. Very lackadaisal, no hustle, if he made his feet move he would be a star though.

- Gauthier, similar to Mantha, too laid back- no hustle. Mantha and Gauthier reminds me of former Hab Latendresse.

- Subban is better than I thought. Can skate with puck and create scoring chances will be ticket to NHL. So small be different player than PK though.

- Domi has a little spit and energy to him, hands good enough to be decent 2nd line NHL center someday.

- Nurse going to be a good one also, not the level of a Jones or Morin. But roughed, solid, he was caught off guard by a lefty in a fight. Common for 18 year old though.

- Dauphin suprised me, never heard of him before. One of those guys we hear at this game and keep an eye on for rest of year.
The big difference between Zadorov/Morin and Jones is taht Jones will dominate at both ends, puck moving and PP play is at least a couple notches better. He'll be a 25 minute a night perennial all star like Pronger(minus chippy stuff).

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01-17-2013, 07:33 AM
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Gauthier has absolutely nothing in common with Latendresse. Nothing. And laid-back does not do him justice at all. As for Mantha, consistency is a bigger issue but he has much wheels than Latendresse.
Gauthier wouldn't be somebody I would target in first round, unless he starts to slide. Definitely take a Erne or Nurse ahead of him for sure. Gauthier just lacked intensity last night, seem like a decent skater but lack the extra gear. He could be a bit overhyped on these boards. Those kind of players just don't translate well to NHL game today. Years ago a Dave Andreychuk was good, but game is more fast tempo and speed. I see Gauthier go onto a long NHL career, but not a top player. How do you see his game translating to NHL game?

I would take Gauthier ahead of Mantha though. Mantha high ranking may be in part, being a year older than other draftees. I see signs of laziness in him last night. Skills there to work with though, just if you think you can get him to work hard. It's all according to how you think you can develop him.

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The big difference between Zadorov/Morin and Jones is taht Jones will dominate at both ends, puck moving and PP play is at least a couple notches better. He'll be a 25 minute a night perennial all star like Pronger(minus chippy stuff).
Zadarov/Morin could be another Chara also. They have the upside...Jones better player but either of the above would be excellent also.

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Zadarov/Morin could be another Chara also. They have the upside...Jones better player but either of the above would be excellent also.
You don't draft guys that size hoping they have a growth spurt and develop and powerful slapshot.

Jones could also have a growth spurt and be Chara with great mobility and dynamic offense.

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01-17-2013, 07:41 AM
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I really like how so many people put a lot of weight in a prospect "show" ...

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Why, speedy forwards are a dime a dozen. Guys like Subban you draft them 3rd or 4th round, give them 3-4 years to grow and learn defense and you end up with(at least) a #5-6 that can boost your PP.
Because he's smaller than MA Bergeron. Is he really only 5'9?

Not saying it would work, but if he were to be a PP specialist/2-way winger...that's a special kind of player. Maybe more so than a guy you're reluctant to throw out on the ice because he keeps getting bowled over (yeah I know Bouillon is 5'7 but he's built like a pit bull).


And holy crap don't write off Drouin because he couldn't connect with MacKinnon in 1 game...he's the most talented player in the draft for pete's sake. Tried too much but him being shut down says a lot more about Seth Jones than it does Drouin.

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01-17-2013, 07:50 AM
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Because he's smaller than MA Bergeron. Is he really only 5'9?

Not saying it would work, but if he were to be a PP specialist/2-way winger...that's a special kind of player. Maybe more so than a guy you're reluctant to throw out on the ice because he keeps getting bowled over (yeah I know Bouillon is 5'7 but he's built like a pit bull).
The kid is only 17, it would make no sense to transform him to forward before you see how much he fills out and if he has a growth spurt. there are all star d-men in the NHL smaller than MA Bergeron(Rafalski Timonen Enstrom etc).

PK grew 2 inches(or close) after being drafted, and added about 20lbs.

Give the kid a chance to fail before converting him to another position.

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The kid is only 17, it would make no sense to transform him to forward before you see how much he fills out and if he has a growth spurt. there are all star d-men in the NHL smaller than MA Bergeron(Rafalski Timonen Enstrom etc).

PK grew 2 inches(or close) after being drafted, and added about 20lbs.

Give the kid a chance to fail before converting him to another position.
Fair enough. Rafalski is a great player. I concede your point.

Follow up question: do the Habs take Jordan with the #2(presumably their own) second round pick?

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01-17-2013, 08:03 AM
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Poirier could slip in the draft we should take a chance on him.. big kid

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PK grew 2 inches(or close) after being drafted, and added about 20lbs.
I hadn't realized he grew taller after being drafted.

Do you think that he was a less effective player when he was 2 inches shorter, and that this is the reason he was drafted in the 2nd round?

I've been wondering for years why such a good player slipped to the 2nd round.

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I hadn't realized he grew taller after being drafted.

Do you think that he was a less effective player when he was 2 inches shorter, and that this is the reason he was drafted in the 2nd round?

I've been wondering for years why such a good player slipped to the 2nd round.
He was notoriously unpredictable and most scouts doubted that his end-to-end rushes would work on NHL players.

PK was 5'11 200lbs when drafted.

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I'm surprised no one mentioned Madison Bowey. I though he had a very good game. Not afraid to join the rush and solid in his zone. Looks much bigger than the 6'1" - 194lbs he's listed at on the CHL website.

I was also imprssed by Bjorkstrand. He completed Petan and Duclair very well. That whole line played a great game.

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I hadn't realized he grew taller after being drafted.

Do you think that he was a less effective player when he was 2 inches shorter, and that this is the reason he was drafted in the 2nd round?

I've been wondering for years why such a good player slipped to the 2nd round.
In junior, Subban was 100% offense. I even remember a pre-draft blurb about him where a scout was questioning if he even knew where his own zone was. The thinking was that there was just too much work to be done defensively for him to warrant a higher selection - some places didn't even have him in the second round.

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