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Wade Redden [UPDATE: Has been bought out and is an UFA]

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01-16-2013, 08:27 PM
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The gossip I am hearing is that Ottawa will be in pretty aggressively on a free-agent Redden. I'd imagine in the 700,000 - 1 mill range for a 1 year contract.
That's news to us here in Ottawa.

All the reliable sources here (Ian Mendes, etc...) have been on record that Bryan Murray has almost no interest in Redden at the moment.

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Have it on good authority that the Senators do not have any intention of signing Wade Redden at this point -- despite his history here.

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Isles make too much sense. He's probably living somewhere in the tri-state area, the Isles could use the help and influence on the blueline, and he has the possibility to stick it to the Rangers on a regular basis.

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01-16-2013, 09:27 PM
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When he clears waviers, is he someone who could benefit the Capitals?

Currently the caps D lineup looks something like

Alzner Carlson
Harmlik Green
Hillen/Erskine/Schultz/Poti(if healthy)-Orlov(when healthy)

Would Redden (at a reasonable price) be an improvement on Erskine/Schultz/Hamrlik?

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He could come back as a 3rd pair guy for sure imo

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Philly and Detroit need defenceman, maybe Winnipeg or Calgary?

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Philly and Detroit need defenceman, maybe Winnipeg or Calgary?
Most Detroit fans are actual pretty angry at the idea of waiving Kindl for Redden. Detroit needs the right kind of defenseman depth wise they have 7 NHL guys, what we want is a big right handed stay at home type. Of course what Holland wants is more important I don't see it as a great fit, but I do think Redden can still hack it in the NHL. Just not interested in kicking a 25 year old former first round pick that is 6'3" 220 lbs and skates very well and hasn't really gotten a chance. Would be very bad asset management. To think the Wings killed a trade with Atlanta a couple years ago for Bogosian because they didn't want to move Kindl and now they are considering this makes me very angry.

Of course if they are going the vet route Redden >>>>> Lilja an even scarier thought for Detroit fans since Ken Holland seems to love retreading old Wings so much lately.

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01-16-2013, 10:17 PM
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If some GM signs him I'll be surprised if he isn't a healthy scratch more often than not.

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01-16-2013, 10:31 PM
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I wouldn't mind giving him the chance, worst that could happen is he helps our AHL team.

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01-17-2013, 12:07 AM
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Habs?

Do not be surprised if the Habs go after him. Coach Therrien was asked tonight the question, hesitated, and answered that "management was looking into it". JJ Daigneault, one of the Habs' asst coaches who was with Hartford for several years has a good opinion of Redden and apparently was professionally very close to him.

I would just find it hard for him to move from one pressure cooker to hockey's craziest, but he has tremendous talent and a cheap contract might be worth the risk.

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01-17-2013, 02:44 AM
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hope a team signs him. glen sather giving him that stupid money and his career went downhill, therefore he got waived to play in the ahl.

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I think he could be a decent 3rd pairing guy, when getting rid of the pressure from his paycheck he might actually deliver.

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01-17-2013, 06:14 AM
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What are the odds of Redden being claimed by NYI? They have a habit of forcing players to their team (Nabokov, Visnovsky) and are not scared of a bad contract (Yashin, DiPietro). Redden was drafted by NYI back in '95 but traded to OTT before entering the league. He has got this season and the next on his 5.6 M deal.

And what about the cap floor? Isn't it 56 M? According to Capgeek, NYI currently has a cap hit of 50 M. Five months of Redden now, his services next season and maybe some assets coming back when trading him to a contender at deadline '14. Sounds like a good fit to me.


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01-17-2013, 06:38 AM
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From what I have seen of Redden the last couple of years anyone expecting more than a guy who will ride the bench and be an injury fill in until the team can recall someone from their AHL team is probably expecting too much.

Doesn't anyone remember that he was so bad in his final season in Ottawa that the team chose not to re-sign him, New York signed him thinking they were getting the guy who he was in 2006-2007, he was never better than a 3rd pairing guy in New York and he wasn't sent to the minors until he lost his job to someone else. They didn't just send him to the minors to rid themselves of his salary, he got beat out by 7 other guys in New York.

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01-17-2013, 06:55 AM
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Doesn't anyone remember that he was so bad in his final season in Ottawa that the team chose not to re-sign him, New York signed him thinking they were getting the guy who he was in 2006-2007, he was never better than a 3rd pairing guy in New York and he wasn't sent to the minors until he lost his job to someone else. They didn't just send him to the minors to rid themselves of his salary, he got beat out by 7 other guys in New York.
NYI found a place for Doug Weight, Brian Rolston, John Vanbiesbruck, Mike Sillinger, Bill Guerin, Bryan Berard and Cliff Ronning when no one else could. Beggars can't be choosers.

PLUS, Redden's cap hit is higher (6,5ish M) than his salary (5,6 M) and would put NYI over the floor without having to pay the full price for it. One could actually argue that claiming Redden would be saving NYI 2ish M.


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01-17-2013, 08:51 AM
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With Visnovsky staying overseas, maybe the Isles pick him up.
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Apparently Detroit is considering Redden after losing out to other UFAs.
Redden earlier in his career (mostly in his prime) was called "The perfect Detroit Red Wings defenseman."

Maybe he'll have some kind of career renaissance if he comes to Detroit.

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01-17-2013, 09:06 AM
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Doesn't anyone remember that he was so bad in his final season in Ottawa that the team chose not to re-sign him, New York signed him thinking they were getting the guy who he was in 2006-2007, he was never better than a 3rd pairing guy in New York and he wasn't sent to the minors until he lost his job to someone else. They didn't just send him to the minors to rid themselves of his salary, he got beat out by 7 other guys in New York.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. I can't speak for whether Ottawa tried to keep him, but if you think finishing 16th in Norris voting means he was a "bad" defenseman, there are a lot of bad defensemen in the NHL. Like... almost all of them.

His first year in NY, he was second in scoring and ATOI among defensemen behind Rosival. Then Tortorella was hired. Torts never liked Redden after he had one bad game against San Jose early in the season. To the point where his ice time was slashed by five minutes for the rest of the season and he wasn't allowed at training camp the past couple of years.

This is why I don't buy the "He couldn't keep up" stuff: If that were true, they would have brought him in at camp and let him try to make the team, show that he had improved. Redden being in the AHL was a personal thing from Torts, Sather, or both. And it's not cool.

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01-17-2013, 09:12 AM
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Wrong, wrong, wrong. I can't speak for whether Ottawa tried to keep him, but if you think finishing 16th in Norris voting means he was a "bad" defenseman, there are a lot of bad defensemen in the NHL. Like... almost all of them.

His first year in NY, he was second in scoring and ATOI among defensemen behind Rosival. Then Tortorella was hired. Torts never liked Redden after he had one bad game against San Jose early in the season. To the point where his ice time was slashed by five minutes for the rest of the season and he wasn't allowed at training camp the past couple of years.

This is why I don't buy the "He couldn't keep up" stuff: If that were true, they would have brought him in at camp and let him try to make the team, show that he had improved. Redden being in the AHL was a personal thing from Torts, Sather, or both. And it's not cool.
To be fair, Sens fans could see the writing on the wall with Redden. Especially in his last playoffs with us, you could tell he was declining.

... though that being said, there is NO ONE in Ottawa who thought the decline would be as steep, or as severe as it was. I remember when the Rangers signed him to that deal, the vibe in Ottawa was "He's a $3.5 mil guy these days, not worth what the Rangers overpaid for him".

We all thought his best days were behind him... but he pulled a David Copperfield and disappeared. No one saw that coming when Sather signed him. Everyone just assumed Slats had overpaid by at least $2 mil, and he'd have a very overpaid 2nd pairing guy. The severity of the decline was shocking to see.

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01-17-2013, 09:18 AM
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Can we get a detailed scouting report from someone who saw a lot of him when we was good and saw a lot of him recently?

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What are the odds of Redden being claimed by NYI? They have a habit of forcing players to their team (Nabokov, Visnovsky) and are not scared of a bad contract (Yashin, DiPietro). Redden was drafted by NYI back in '95 but traded to OTT before entering the league. He has got this season and the next on his 5.6 M deal.

[b]And what about the cap floor? Isn't it 56 M? According to Capgeek, NYI currently has a cap hit of 50 M. [b]Five months of Redden now, his services next season and maybe some assets coming back when trading him to a contender at deadline '14. Sounds like a good fit to me.

I believe it is 44m for this year and next year

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Most Detroit fans are actual pretty angry at the idea of waiving Kindl for Redden. Detroit needs the right kind of defenseman depth wise they have 7 NHL guys, what we want is a big right handed stay at home type. Of course what Holland wants is more important I don't see it as a great fit, but I do think Redden can still hack it in the NHL. Just not interested in kicking a 25 year old former first round pick that is 6'3" 220 lbs and skates very well and hasn't really gotten a chance. Would be very bad asset management. To think the Wings killed a trade with Atlanta a couple years ago for Bogosian because they didn't want to move Kindl and now they are considering this makes me very angry.

Of course if they are going the vet route Redden >>>>> Lilja an even scarier thought for Detroit fans since Ken Holland seems to love retreading old Wings so much lately.
Kindl makes under 900k and is the second youngest defenseman on the team. I think it's more likely that the Wings would give up Colaiacovo to take on Redden, because that would save them ~$2m if Redden takes the minimum and they can then put that towards re-signing their various FAs and perhaps taking a shot at a guy like Edler.

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Hockey Central just said that he cleared waivers

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I believe it is 44m for this year and next year
Yes, the cap floor is $44M. Every team is already over it, so forget any trade that has that as a "reason".

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Wrong, wrong, wrong. I can't speak for whether Ottawa tried to keep him, but if you think finishing 16th in Norris voting means he was a "bad" defenseman, there are a lot of bad defensemen in the NHL. Like... almost all of them.

His first year in NY, he was second in scoring and ATOI among defensemen behind Rosival. Then Tortorella was hired. Torts never liked Redden after he had one bad game against San Jose early in the season. To the point where his ice time was slashed by five minutes for the rest of the season and he wasn't allowed at training camp the past couple of years.

This is why I don't buy the "He couldn't keep up" stuff: If that were true, they would have brought him in at camp and let him try to make the team, show that he had improved. Redden being in the AHL was a personal thing from Torts, Sather, or both. And it's not cool.
First off, what is 16th in Norris voting? Doesn't that mean one homer writer gave him a vote for 3-5th place?

Secondly, Tortorella didn't like him because he was not capable of playing at the level Tortorella wanted him to. He was terrible, he was never very good in New York I don't care if he finished 2nd in Norris voting, he was not good. He wasn't good in his last year in Ottawa, he wasn't good in New York and worst of all, he isn't very good in Connecticut.

He has been on a decline since the Sens went to the Stanley Cup finals, he was never that player again and is moving further away from that guy every season.

Last year I spent an entire game just watching him to see if I thought he had anything left just out of curiosity, he isn't the same player he was that is for sure, he sure wasn't the best D on the Connecticut Whale.

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if you could get redden to sign for one year @ 1 million $, then I can 100% guarntee at least 25 NHL teams would be interested in signing him.

as a #5/6 dman he would be pretty darn useful, and that a salary like that, absolutely no risk

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if you could get redden to sign for one year @ 1 million $, then I can 100% guarntee at least 25 NHL teams would be interested in signing him.

as a #5/6 dman he would be pretty darn useful, and that a salary like that, absolutely no risk
Where are you getting that from? I watched the guy and I don't think he is an NHL top 6 guy anymore.

I swear I think people are just guessing what they think he might be without actually watching him.

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