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01-17-2013, 10:31 AM
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding but are you really upset that the league didn't reduce Torres' suspension just because the season is shorter?
You are misunderstanding me. I meant it is stupid that the nhl season is only 48 games when there was an incredibly similar CBA on the table in time for an 82 game affair. Big fat waste of time and money for no good reason.

As for Torres. I agree with the on ice officials who didn't feel it was an illegal hit or deserving of a penalty. But hey, a stretcher equals twenty games now.

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I distinctly remember some claiming the Connolly signing was better than the Richards signing (taking into account contract terms and all).
A majority of Leaf fans said it was better than the E. Cole signing. We shall see how the remaining 3 years go but the first was definitely a success for Cole and a failure for Connolly.

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01-17-2013, 10:32 AM
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One of those is not like the other.
You are right. 2 =/= 9.

Seriously though, you can't have misunderstood his point that badly. A small percentage of Leafs fans, despite knowing how great Richards is, tried to rationalize missing out on him by citing Connolly's favourable contract length, given Richards' age (though we all know he has several good years left).

Simple enough, no?

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I think most people were just relieved we signed Connolly to a two-year deal rather than Richards to a nine-year one.
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and we used a buyout?? You think of it as wasting?? while i look at it with breath of fresh air
It is a waste because if they were to buy him out, the numbers do not change one penny. The cap hit is still the same for this season, and he has no cap hit beyond that anyways because his contract is up at the end of this year. He is still owed exactly the same salary for this year as well, so not even real money is saved by buying him out.

So there is literally no benefit to buying him out that cannot be obtained by just assigning him to the AHL. That's why it's a waste of a buyout...because it doesn't actually give any benefit to the team's cap/financial status.

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Source on whether the #leafs intend to pursue an accelerated buyout for Tim Connolly. "Hasn't been discussed."

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I distinctly remember some claiming the Connolly signing was better than the Richards signing (taking into account contract terms and all).
Also better then the Eric Cole signing

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It is a waste because if they were to buy him out, the numbers do not change one penny. The cap hit is still the same for this season, and he has no cap hit beyond that anyways because his contract is up at the end of this year. He is still owed exactly the same salary for this year as well, so not even real money is saved by buying him out.

So there is literally no benefit to buying him out that cannot be obtained by just assigning him to the AHL. That's why it's a waste of a buyout...because it doesn't actually give any benefit to the team's cap/financial status.
i could easily see connolly picked up on waivers

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01-17-2013, 10:35 AM
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Well there goes two of our first liners.... some Leaf fans had suggested..

The Leafs need to do this. Neither player was a long term solution. It's time to move forward.

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You are right. 2 =/= 9.

Seriously though, you can't have misunderstood his point that badly. A small percentage of Leafs fans, despite knowing how great Richards is, tried to rationalize missing out on him by citing Connolly's favourable contract length, given Richards' age (though we all know he has several good years left).

Simple enough, no?
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I think most people were just relieved we signed Connolly to a two-year deal rather than Richards to a nine-year one.
Yeah? I don't think I missed his point at all. You?

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Is it confirmed that he's been waived/bought out? TSN is still just "speculating" at this point.

Buying him out makes almost no sense to me. From what I understand, buying him out would save the leafs $900,000 (money saved by not sending him to the minors), and his cap hit remains exactly the same. So there is a very negligible cost benefit, and it also lets other teams sign him, which, as kind a favour as that is, is to the leafs detriment.

Unless he's just a ****** guy in the locker room or something, I don't understand why the leafs have to get rid of him so quickly.

I do however like the attitude shift to the younger guys.

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Buyout seems pointless. Save it just in case. You have two years to use them up. Even if it's not for someone on the current roster maybe you acquire someone this year and have to buy them out at a later date.

I'd just try move him and eat part of his salary.

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I don't get the big sigh of relief from Leafers. It seemed like the entire fanbase was defending the signing when it happened. Oh well.
look up cialdini committment and consistency.

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Toronto wants Mackinnon

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You are misunderstanding me. I meant it is stupid that the nhl season is only 48 games when there was an incredibly similar CBA on the table in time for an 82 game affair. Big fat waste of time and money for no good reason.

As for Torres. I agree with the on ice officials who didn't feel it was an illegal hit or deserving of a penalty. But hey, a stretcher equals twenty games now.
Ooph, that hit was about as objectively illegal as it gets. Are you denying that he left the ice and launched into someone's head? Or are you denying that such an act is illegal? Really confused how someone could argue it.

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i could easily see connolly picked up on waivers
Would team picking him up be on the hook for 2.34M? (48/82*4M)

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i could easily see connolly picked up on waivers
Should consider an appointment with your opthamologist

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Question:

How do these buyouts work under the new CBA?

Does Toronto save any money if they buyout T.Connelly? (Do they pay 100% of the salary)

I have also seen alot of people here suggest buyouts on BIG contracts (Bryz and Luongo)

Would the team have to pay 66% and have that as a cap hit (33% per year) for the next ~15 years?

I am confused about the current system, or the "specialty" case for the cap going down etc.
Does anyone have a good handle on this?

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honestly, for 1 year it's not a big gamble at all.

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look up cialdini committment and consistency.
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Commitment and Consistency - If people commit, orally or in writing, to an idea or goal, they are more likely to honor that commitment because of establishing that idea or goal as being congruent with their self-image. Even if the original incentive or motivation is removed after they have already agreed, they will continue to honor the agreement. Cialdini notes Chinese brainwashing on American prisoners of war to rewrite their self-image and gain automatic unenforced compliance. See cognitive dissonance.
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Should consider an appointment with your opthamologist
that or a trade.

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If you think Connolly is the difference between the Leafs getting MacKinnon or not... I don't know what to say.

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Buyout seems pointless. Save it just in case. You have two years to use them up. Even if it's not for someone on the current roster maybe you acquire someone this year and have to buy them out at a later date.

I'd just try move him and eat part of his salary.
Right... They need to save it for Luongo...

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Yeah? I don't think I missed his point at all. You?
I took your comment as disregarding the contract length in order to point out that the Leafs had a mediocre player while the Rangers got a good one.

If this wasn't the intent of your comment, I apologize. If it was, you ignored the original point, which was to rationalize the signing in the face of the differences that I believe you were highlighting in player ability.

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i could easily see connolly picked up on waivers
That is probably what they are hoping for, so that they will not have his cap on their books anymore (it'll be on someone else's). If he clears though, they would have to try to eat half his salary and deal him, as that would save them more than assigning him to the AHL or buying him out (which I'm not sure they can even do since he's a FA at year's end).

I could see the Isles picking him up to play defense.

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