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[NJD] Travis Zajac extended (8 years, $5.75M cap hit)

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01-17-2013, 10:58 AM
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Question for Rangers fans that think this is a horrible contract: What do you expect Callahan to get when he gets extended? His second contract was similar to Zajac's second contract (Zajac's final year was 4.8M, Callahan's is 4.825M), and he is likewise a player that any GM would want on their team. Do you not expect him to get a lengthy deal north of 5.5? And will you complain if he signs an identical contract?
Callahan isn't as good as Zajac. But figuring it is the rangers he is going to get 6.5 million a year cap hit.

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01-17-2013, 11:06 AM
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Callahan isn't as good as Zajac. But figuring it is the rangers he is going to get 6.5 million a year cap hit.
As much as I hate the Rangers, I'd say that both players are very similar. They're not All-Stars but they aren't bottom 6 players either. They're extremely solid 2nd line players and I'd take Callahan on my team any day of the week.

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01-17-2013, 11:12 AM
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How is this signing showing what is wrong with the game? There is only so much money to go around! If a team gives 2mill too much for player X that means that team has 2 million less to sign player Y in the offseason. Contracts like this do not somehow create more money for teams to spend.
They dont create more money this season but they will cause the cap to go up in the future. Its simple inflation, dont know how you cant see that. When you pay someone too much for the service they provide it directly inflates positions above that one. In the future Agents will use Zajac and Laichs contracts to show why there clients now deserve 5 mill plus.

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01-17-2013, 11:17 AM
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As much as I hate the Rangers, I'd say that both players are very similar. They're not All-Stars but they aren't bottom 6 players either. They're extremely solid 2nd line players and I'd take Callahan on my team any day of the week.
Defensive stats have Zajac as one of the best forwards in the league. Callahan is above-average and could easily be a teams #1 center. But I would take Zajac over Callahan in a heart beat.

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01-17-2013, 11:18 AM
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They dont create more money this season but they will cause the cap to go up in the future. Its simple inflation, dont know how you cant see that. When you pay someone too much for the service they provide it directly inflates positions above that one. In the future Agents will use Zajac and Laichs contracts to show why there clients now deserve 5 mill plus.
The cap is based off Hockey Revenues. Giving Zajac 10 million dollar cap hit isn't going to do anything for other players.

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01-17-2013, 11:34 AM
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The blind dismissing of everything the Devils do by the collection of clowns on HFRangers is one thing, I personally love that this guy is obsessed about the Devils.




He brought up the Kovalchuk 2010 debacle after the same player absolutely smoked them in the ECF last Spring. Where does it end?

I believe Zajac did a bit of damage against them last season as well.

This is a fan of a team who gave Scott Gomez, Wade Redden, Bobby Holik, Chris Drury, Darius Kasparitits bajillion dollar contracts and he dares questions the actions of the Devils GM?

The GM of the team who was able to crack the facade of the 6 goalie defense last season?

The same.
JA's posts are hilarious. He's like our version of Muttley, except nobody ever really payed attention to Muttley. Whatever happened to that guy anyway? A member search comes up blank so I'm assuming he changed his name. JA really gets to you guys though. Enough that you have to come on here and post pictures of the Henrique goal like its gonna hurt his feelings. That guy is gonna keep posting his vitriol and the only thing feeding him is you guys coming on here and quoting him. Oddly enough a good portion of that post is complimentary to Devils players, but he knows how to deliver it to really get under Devils fans skin. Good stuff.

My advice? Ignore him.

And JA, keep fighting the good fight my man.

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01-17-2013, 11:46 AM
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I think JA is scared. Zenith already met the nadir when he faced me and FireSather lives in constant fear.

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01-17-2013, 11:53 AM
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why dont ppl just leave the devils alone its not a bad deal TBH a little long but W/E

the fans like him and i bet 98% love this deal and would rather have him at this deal than not having him on the team

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01-17-2013, 11:57 AM
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01-17-2013, 12:01 PM
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As I said yesterday, I'm happy with this deal. One of the best two way centres in the league. He and Kovy have had great chemistry. They were dominant together in the second half (better half) of the 2010-2011 season and worked well together in the playoffs last season. I would tell folks that think it's overpayment to wait, at least, until the end of this year. He will be in a situation where he can put up points playing alongside Kovalchuk. Give him the year and then go nuts if need be one way or the other.

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01-17-2013, 12:14 PM
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I think some things are being ignored here:

This contract eliminates Zajac's first foray into UFA land. He wasn't an RFA (technically) when he signed this extension. Thus the comparison to guys like Taylor Hall and their contracts are moot and silly.

Second, in actual dollars, not cap hit, Zajac is making $4.8M this year. The cap hit is a $900K raise. For his first UFA contract. That's nothing. Also, in real dollars again, his first contract year of this extension, he's only making $3.5M.

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01-17-2013, 12:17 PM
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Devils fans are much prettier apparently.

I'm going to side with them.

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01-17-2013, 12:20 PM
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Question for Rangers fans that think this is a horrible contract: What do you expect Callahan to get when he gets extended? His second contract was similar to Zajac's second contract (Zajac's final year was 4.8M, Callahan's is 4.825M), and he is likewise a player that any GM would want on their team. Do you not expect him to get a lengthy deal north of 5.5? And will you complain if he signs an identical contract?
Hard to compare, this is Zajac's 3rd contract and Callahan is on his 3rd contract already. Their 3rd contract differences are now Zajac 5.75mil, Callahan 4,275mil

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01-17-2013, 12:27 PM
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Hard to compare, this is Zajac's 3rd contract and Callahan is on his 3rd contract already. Their 3rd contract differences are now Zajac 5.75mil, Callahan 4,275mil
True... but isn't Callahan a free agent in the next 2 to 3 years? We just fast forwarded the process and bought out the next 5 years of free agency availablity and that right there is the main reason he got close to 6M$ per.

I'll be willing to bet my life savings that Callahan will earn roughly the same type of deal per year, if not more, then what Zajac got yesterday and everyone in Ranger land will be pleased about it.... book it.

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01-17-2013, 12:28 PM
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So what you're saying is that Devils fans are way super hotter than everyone else

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Damn I'd bang Devils fans.

The question is, if Henrique does the same thing he did in the playoffs, how much does he deserve to get then.

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01-17-2013, 01:04 PM
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Fair money imo, but the length..

Devils fans not worried about the length? Even a little?

edit. obviously if the other option is to lose him to FA then you gotta five the man his money.

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01-17-2013, 01:18 PM
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Damn I'd bang Devils fans.

The question is, if Henrique does the same thing he did in the playoffs, how much does he deserve to get then.
He is a RFA he won't sign for nearly as much

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01-17-2013, 01:31 PM
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Very good and fair post.

Zajac is the type of guy the Devils need, so this contract is fair and he has the smarts to be good in the latter part of his career. Zajac showed a lot of chemistry with Kovy but he also works very well with Zubrus. Our first line at camp yesterday was Zubrus Zajac Kovy so I am very excited to see what that line can do. Our second line will have Elias centering so he will make anyone playing with him good. When Henrique returns at 100% health the Devils will once again be fine.
I feel like depth is limited after the loss of Parise, but I feel like Gomez will end up back in NJ and by some dumb luck revives his career.

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Parise was a huge part of our team but I think the system that Deboer introduced makes everyone compete hard and he gets everything out of everyone which is why I am not worried. Our first strength is our defensive depth, no true number one d pairing but everyone is very good and responsible, Salvador, Tallinder, Greene, Fayne, Larsson, Zidlicky, Volchenkov, Harrold, I trust them all. With these eight guys a trade can easily happen to add depth to our offense. Also if Butler lives up to our expectations it will only help our top six. I also wouldnt even be surprised if we sign Gomez after he is bought out. All jokes aside, the past is the past and I can see him fitting well on our bottom six at a cheap price. With Zubrus and Elias not aging at all and honestly getting better in the last few seasons, I can see both of them staying for another three years. Clarkson also loves it here and loves playing for his once junior coach in Deboer so I would be shocked if he went somewhere else. We have enough forwards for the next three years in order to restock our forward prospects. I like our future.

Only time will tell.
A lot of the Devils offense hinges on Elias and the defense, while they play well as a unit together, I just don't know how much value they hold individually. It depends on what kind and caliber of offensive help you're looking for.

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01-17-2013, 02:02 PM
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It's not that bad. A little more than I would pay, but he's too important of a player to lose.

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01-17-2013, 02:07 PM
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Damn I'd bang Devils fans.

The question is, if Henrique does the same thing he did in the playoffs, how much does he deserve to get then.
As of right now, Henrique as RFA going into his 2nd deal would probably get $2.5-3 million-ish on a shorter term deal that takes him to UFA.

If he doesn't drop off and puts in an equal/better season, he's probably looking at closer to $3.5-4M.

Lou is a big believer in the 2nd contract.

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01-17-2013, 02:15 PM
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120 games vs 420 games. LW vs C. Not really comparable. Zajac contract is much much better than the Hall one.


I think they're both good deals. A little overpay at the start but toward the mid-way point of the contracts they'll be good deals.

I have no idea how it's "much much better" than Halls, a first overall pick who's already put up more goals then Zajacs career high(in 60 games). Offense costs more then defense.

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01-17-2013, 02:59 PM
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I feel like depth is limited after the loss of Parise, but I feel like Gomez will end up back in NJ and by some dumb luck revives his career.



A lot of the Devils offense hinges on Elias and the defense, while they play well as a unit together, I just don't know how much value they hold individually. It depends on what kind and caliber of offensive help you're looking for.
I agree with most of this. Depth has certainly been harmed by the loss of Parise. Not only that, but Ponikarovsky signed in Winnipeg and Sykora is chilling somewhere. Elias is going to slot in on the second line most likely and will need to provide secondary scoring. They are banking on Henrique returning to form when he gets back plus improvement offensively from Josefson and even Tedenby. A healthy Zajac should help account for some of the lost goals from Parise and company. We'll see what Bobby Butler can provide...

I like the defense a lot. Not only the current pairs but some of the young guys knocking on the door. Urbom, Merrill, Gelinas, and Burlon are not far off from potentially making the jump. It's a log jam on defense and I still expect Lou to make a move for some forward help.

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Question for Rangers fans that think this is a horrible contract: What do you expect Callahan to get when he gets extended? His second contract was similar to Zajac's second contract (Zajac's final year was 4.8M, Callahan's is 4.825M), and he is likewise a player that any GM would want on their team. Do you not expect him to get a lengthy deal north of 5.5? And will you complain if he signs an identical contract?
Somewhere around 5, I don't think he'll get much more. If he does, it's because the organization can't afford to lose their captain and a player that plays in nearly every type of situation within a game.

Could I be wrong? Sure, but Callahan won't get 8 years like Zajac did. Knowing his injury history and the fact that he plays the game harder than almost anyone in the league, his deal will be a shorter term and therefore will be lower. Also, Callahan will be older when signing that deal. The Devils signed Zajac at the exact time needed to give him a contract like this.

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Defensive stats have Zajac as one of the best forwards in the league. Callahan is above-average and could easily be a teams #1 center. But I would take Zajac over Callahan in a heart beat.
A team's #1 center? Just stop. It's one thing to prefer Zajac over Callahan, I could see the argument both ways, but Callahan is NOT and has NEVER been a center at any point of his hockey career.

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True... but isn't Callahan a free agent in the next 2 to 3 years? We just fast forwarded the process and bought out the next 5 years of free agency availablity and that right there is the main reason he got close to 6M$ per.

I'll be willing to bet my life savings that Callahan will earn roughly the same type of deal per year, if not more, then what Zajac got yesterday and everyone in Ranger land will be pleased about it.... book it.
Don't think so, Callahan's injury history and style of play, plus his age at the time that he signs his next deal will reduce his term and average cap hit.

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If you're gonna talk **** about me, at least read my posts and realize that I'm not saying anything bad about the Devils.

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