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01-17-2013, 02:11 PM
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Anyone else think Connolly will be Flames big summer signing?

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01-17-2013, 02:15 PM
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Anyone else think Connolly will be Flames big summer signing?
Too young!

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"Sure sounds like #Stars deal with Jamie Benn getting finalized. Latest Dal offer I heard was 33M. Look for cap hit around 5.5M for 5/6 yrs"

According to RealKyper

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01-17-2013, 03:02 PM
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"Sure sounds like #Stars deal with Jamie Benn getting finalized. Latest Dal offer I heard was 33M. Look for cap hit around 5.5M for 5/6 yrs"

According to RealKyper
I'd peg O'Reilly's value as a bit less than Benn's, but not 2m less. 4-4.5 for 6 years for O'Reilly doesn't sound too bad... ugh I just want this to be over.

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01-17-2013, 03:04 PM
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Islanders are like a drunk guy at closing hour. They've picked up Hickey, Aucoin and Finley from waivers.

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01-17-2013, 03:27 PM
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Brennan Klak ‏@nhlupdate
Panthers re-sign Kulikov to a two year deal

My guess is that it is for 3-3.5m per

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01-17-2013, 03:30 PM
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Panthers re-sign Kulikov to a two year deal

My guess is that it is for 3-3.5m per
Avs and Habs the only teams left to crush their RFA's.

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01-17-2013, 03:31 PM
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So the last remaining RFAs are both represented by Newport.

That is a surprise.

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Avs and Habs the only teams left to crush their RFA's.
O'Reilly and The Classless One. Both represented by the same agency.

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01-17-2013, 03:36 PM
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O'Reilly and The Classless One. Both represented by the same agency.
Same as Doughty last season.

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Wait, Jamie Benn signed?

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01-17-2013, 03:39 PM
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Wait, Jamie Benn signed?
Apparently pretty close.

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01-17-2013, 03:40 PM
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So the last remaining RFAs are both represented by Newport.

That is a surprise.
And two of the others MDZ, and Kullikov signed 2 year bridge deals, while the other, the clearly better and more likely top six scorer than O'Reilly signed the long term deal.

I'm telling you that KHL match deal f' d everything up. They can't give him more than Duchene on a two year deal just on principle. It'd be a slap in the face to him, and potentially cause a rift.

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01-17-2013, 03:48 PM
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And two of the others MDZ, and Kullikov signed 2 year bridge deals, while the other, the clearly better and more likely top six scorer than O'Reilly signed the long term deal.

I'm telling you that KHL match deal f' d everything up. They can't give him more than Duchene on a two year deal just on principle. It'd be a slap in the face to him, and potentially cause a rift.
I think it would be a slap in the face to O'Reilly if they tell him he can't make more than Duchene even though he was clearly the better player last season. Duchene was much better the first two years but I think the most recent season probably has a big impact on the negotiations.

Duchene doesn't seem like the kind of guy who be upset over something like this. He quickly signed his contract and he knows if he plays like he's capable of, he'll be the highest paid player on the team in 1.5 years.

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01-17-2013, 03:50 PM
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I think it would be a slap in the face to O'Reilly if they tell him he can't make more than Duchene even though he was clearly the better player last season. Duchene was much better the first two years but I think the most recent season probably has a big impact on the negotiations.

Duchene doesn't seem like the kind of guy who be upset over something like this. He quickly signed his contract and he knows if he plays like he's capable of, he'll be the highest paid player on the team in 1.5 years.
No I disagree completely. Duchene's first two being better, along with the injuries last year, and being the 3rd overall pick, and having a higher ceiling make it a wash.

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01-17-2013, 03:54 PM
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And two of the others MDZ, and Kullikov signed 2 year bridge deals, while the other, the clearly better and more likely top six scorer than O'Reilly signed the long term deal.

I'm telling you that KHL match deal f' d everything up. They can't give him more than Duchene on a two year deal just on principle. It'd be a slap in the face to him, and potentially cause a rift.
I agree that the Avs are somewhat boxed in with respect to their negotiating position. From what is being reported, O'Reilly is basically asking for a better deal than Duchene and EJ.

It is a tough spot IMO for the Avs' management.

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01-17-2013, 03:56 PM
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No I disagree completely. Duchene's first two being better, along with the injuries last year, and being the 3rd overall pick, and having a higher ceiling make it a wash.
No, Duchene may have put up more points, but it wasn't like O'Reilly sucked in those first two seasons. ROR has always been reliable defensively from the start, and he proved he could be a reliable top-six forward and scoring threat this season.

So no, it's not a wash. It's ridiculous for anyone to expect O'Reilly to accept the same wait-and-see contract that Duchene signed.

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01-17-2013, 04:24 PM
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No, Duchene may have put up more points, but it wasn't like O'Reilly sucked in those first two seasons. ROR has always been reliable defensively from the start, and he proved he could be a reliable top-six forward and scoring threat this season.

So no, it's not a wash. It's ridiculous for anyone to expect O'Reilly to accept the same wait-and-see contract that Duchene signed.
Offense pays. Good defense and 26 points doesn't. The only reason it's equal is because Duchene's production dropped, at least in part due to injuries, and O'Reilly's increased last year.

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Dave Bolland - 2009-2010 - 47 points - 56.8 Salary Cap - Signs 5/3.375 after ELC

Ryan O'Reilly - 2011-2012 - 55 points - 64.3 Salary Cap - Signs X/X after ELC

Given inflation, I would say he's worth about 3.8-4.0 mill. If I'm the Avs, I sign him 4 mill x 6-7-8 years.

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I wouldn't mind offering Gomez a one year $1M deal. He'll probably sign elsewhere, but might as well give it a shot.

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01-17-2013, 05:47 PM
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I wouldn't mind offering Gomez a one year $1M deal. He'll probably sign elsewhere, but might as well give it a shot.
Um...no.

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No, Duchene may have put up more points, but it wasn't like O'Reilly sucked in those first two seasons. ROR has always been reliable defensively from the start, and he proved he could be a reliable top-six forward and scoring threat this season.

So no, it's not a wash. It's ridiculous for anyone to expect O'Reilly to accept the same wait-and-see contract that Duchene signed.
it is a wash basically. RoR's first two seasons were not impressive at all.

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01-17-2013, 06:14 PM
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Dave Bolland - 2009-2010 - 47 points - 56.8 Salary Cap - Signs 5/3.375 after ELC

Ryan O'Reilly - 2011-2012 - 55 points - 64.3 Salary Cap - Signs X/X after ELC

Given inflation, I would say he's worth about 3.8-4.0 mill. If I'm the Avs, I sign him 4 mill x 6-7-8 years.
Bolland is exactly the same comparable I had in mind. Puts up some points but better defensively. If Radar's ceiling turns out to be our Bolland, I'm happy with that. Right now (that's not say in the mid to long term future), I think Radar is worth similar to Duchene. Bridge deal or 5 years at no more than 4m per seems fair but if he really does want 5x5, trade him.

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Bolland is exactly the same comparable I had in mind. Puts up some points but better defensively. If Radar's ceiling turns out to be our Bolland, I'm happy with that. Right now (that's not say in the mid to long term future), I think Radar is worth similar to Duchene. Bridge deal or 5 years at no more than 4m per seems fair but if he really does want 5x5, trade him.
Agreed, although I feel for now Oreilly has more offensive upside then that of Bolland, but should be comparable players for the most part.

Then again, Bolland is going to be used in a much more offensive role this year playing with I believe Kane and Sharp(not 100% certain on that) so we could just as easily see him really break out this year with those 2 on his wings.

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