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01-17-2013, 07:00 PM
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Caps 1st rounder

What would it fetch on deadline or draft day?
A year and a half ago Caps traded their first rounder for Troy Brouwer (RFA at the time) and I'd look for similar deal.
Caps need a top-6 winger. Looking at the list of 2013 RFAs I like Chris Stewart, Blake Wheeler, Patrik Hornqvist, Artem Anisimov (listed as C but has played W in NYR). Would the Caps need to add something? Would another team need to add something?
Also, 2014 UFAs: Thomas Vanek, Mike Cammalleri, Chris Kunitz (I know... no), Alexander Steen, Matt Moulson, Jussi Jokinen.

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What would it fetch on deadline or draft day?
A year and a half ago Caps traded their first rounder for Troy Brouwer (RFA at the time) and I'd look for similar deal.
Caps need a top-6 winger. Looking at the list of 2013 RFAs I like Chris Stewart, Blake Wheeler, Patrik Hornqvist, Artem Anisimov (listed as C but has played W in NYR). Would the Caps need to add something? Would another team need to add something?
Also, 2014 UFAs: Thomas Vanek, Mike Cammalleri, Chris Kunitz (I know... no), Alexander Steen, Matt Moulson, Jussi Jokinen.
I expect the isles will try to extend Moulson's contract before looking to deal him. Not much interest in moving productive nhlers for picks or prospects.

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01-17-2013, 07:16 PM
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What would it fetch on deadline or draft day?
A year and a half ago Caps traded their first rounder for Troy Brouwer (RFA at the time) and I'd look for similar deal.
Caps need a top-6 winger. Looking at the list of 2013 RFAs I like Chris Stewart, Blake Wheeler, Patrik Hornqvist, Artem Anisimov (listed as C but has played W in NYR). Would the Caps need to add something? Would another team need to add something?
Also, 2014 UFAs: Thomas Vanek, Mike Cammalleri, Chris Kunitz (I know... no), Alexander Steen, Matt Moulson, Jussi Jokinen.
Might just be me, but all of the players you mention are significantly better than Brouwer.

The other problem is that it's notnreally the off season any more. The Caps got Brouwer because the Hawksbeither couldn't afford the contract (or didn't think he'd be worth it). At this point, no one has to make a cap move like that and no non-contender has an "extra" top 6 forward.

Unless a team REALLY struggles right out of the gate, I'd be surprised to see any big deals
early.

To that point, three haven't been any big trades after the lockout ended.

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What would it fetch on deadline or draft day?
A year and a half ago Caps traded their first rounder for Troy Brouwer (RFA at the time) and I'd look for similar deal.
Caps need a top-6 winger. Looking at the list of 2013 RFAs I like Chris Stewart, Blake Wheeler, Patrik Hornqvist, Artem Anisimov (listed as C but has played W in NYR). Would the Caps need to add something? Would another team need to add something?
Also, 2014 UFAs: Thomas Vanek, Mike Cammalleri, Chris Kunitz (I know... no), Alexander Steen, Matt Moulson, Jussi Jokinen.
I'm sure if the Flames were out of it around deadline day we could trade Cammalleri. We could retain some of his cap-hit to help lighten the load next season.

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Gionta maybe

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Anisimov is unlikely to be moved. Particularly not for just yet another mid-to-low 1st round pick. We've kind of got a lot of those.

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maybe macarthur at the deadline if we are out. Or Lupul

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Might just be me, but all of the players you mention are significantly better than Brouwer.

The other problem is that it's notnreally the off season any more. The Caps got Brouwer because the Hawksbeither couldn't afford the contract (or didn't think he'd be worth it). At this point, no one has to make a cap move like that and no non-contender has an "extra" top 6 forward.

Unless a team REALLY struggles right out of the gate, I'd be surprised to see any big deals
early.

To that point, three haven't been any big trades after the lockout ended.
Not all. Considering cap hit, Stewart, Cammalleri, Anisimov, Jokinen, Steen are not significantly better than Brouwer for sure.
Hawks weren't at the cap at the time, it was a year after the firesale and their cap situation was OK. His pricetag wasn't that huge (he signed in WSH for slightly more than 2M), so I think they just liked the deal and liked the player they selected (Danault).
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I'm sure if the Flames were out of it around deadline day we could trade Cammalleri. We could retain some of his cap-hit to help lighten the load next season.
Considering our cap situation, you'd likely have to take on part of Cammalleri's salary for the deal to be possible.

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Provably about a first rounder

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Not all. Considering cap hit, Stewart, Cammalleri, Anisimov, Jokinen, Steen are not significantly better than Brouwer for sure.
Hawks weren't at the cap at the time, it was a year after the firesale and their cap situation was OK. His pricetag wasn't that huge (he signed in WSH for slightly more than 2M), so I think they just liked the deal and liked the player they selected (Danault).


Considering our cap situation, you'd likely have to take on part of Cammalleri's salary for the deal to be possible.
Ya it would make sense. Either that, or you send another contract our way. I could see something like

Cammy (Flames retain 3 million)
4th 2013

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1st 2013
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Cammy-Ribeiro-Brouwer is pretty intriguing assuming Brouwer can paper over the softness on his own.

But since they basically burned a 2nd to get rid of Kotalik's waveable salary I'm not sure flames are in the business of doing that.

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I'd rather keep the pick and wait to solve top six wing issues until the off-season when some of the prospects may be ready. Or else do it on the cheap at the deadline. Or else use Johansson as the primary piece should he not prove ready to be a reliable top six wing or show any further 2C potential.

Edit: I would hope the scouting staff likes this draft much more than '11. If they're a fringe playoff team that should only further reservations toward moving their first. They do own a second for once so, yeah, expect that to go at some point if need be.


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MacArthur or Kulemin.

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Can't see Wheeler being available. And if he was, it would take a lot more than a 1st.

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What about Kulemin + Gunnarsson for 1st +?

Maybe the + being Schultz, Galiev and a 2nd rounder.

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Would rather fix it internally or with a UFA addition than move the 1st. If it's still a gaping hole at the deadline and we're in contention, then maybe I change my mind.

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Cammy-Ribeiro-Brouwer is pretty intriguing assuming Brouwer can paper over the softness on his own.

But since they basically burned a 2nd to get rid of Kotalik's waveable salary I'm not sure flames are in the business of doing that.
That's not really how it went down, but you can interprut it that way if you want.

Reggie, Kotalik +2nd 2011 = just over 7million

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Butler, Byron = 1.3 mil? (Byron was a 2way)

Feaster made it clear in an interview that the 2nd was for Byron.... not burning Kotalik's contract. (In reality it was probably a bit of both...but it definitely wasn't Feaster giving a 2nd for 3million capspace)

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What about Kulemin + Gunnarsson for 1st +?

Maybe the + being Schultz, Galiev and a 2nd rounder.
Leafs wont do that unless its a guaranteed 10 ten pick, even that is questionable.

There are no guarantees with picks, Kulemin and Gunnarsson are guaranteed young NHLers with upside.

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What about Kulemin + Gunnarsson for 1st +?

Maybe the + being Schultz, Galiev and a 2nd rounder.
Huge no.

Wouldn't trade Gunnar or Kule alone for a 1st, let alone both.

I might do MacArthur depending on the beginning of the season

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NYR offers Taylor Pyatt + 3rd for the 1st?

Rangers need a first this year so idk.... just throwing it out there.

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NYR offers Taylor Pyatt + 3rd for the 1st?

Rangers need a first this year so idk.... just throwing it out there.
I like Taylor Pyatt, but no. Caps have plenty of bottom six players right now, nor should we ever part with a 1st to get a player like Pyatt.

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Huge no.

Wouldn't trade Gunnar or Kule alone for a 1st, let alone both.

I might do MacArthur depending on the beginning of the season


Huge, huge pass.

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That's not really how it went down, but you can interprut it that way if you want.

Reggie, Kotalik +2nd 2011 = just over 7million

for

Butler, Byron = 1.3 mil? (Byron was a 2way)

Feaster made it clear in an interview that the 2nd was for Byron.... not burning Kotalik's contract. (In reality it was probably a bit of both...but it definitely wasn't Feaster giving a 2nd for 3million capspace)
So it was just Regehr for Butler?

And in no universe was Byron worth a 2nd at the time. Hell even now I wouldn't do it.

Any other team would have topped Butler. Regehr was in high regard.

It was about the money no matter what Feaster says. Obviously he's gonna misdirect it since he can't exactly say "we made that trade because we were cheap".

If Feaster is telling the truth and that's how he actually judges player talent then that's even worse.

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So it was just Regehr for Butler?

And in no universe was Byron worth a 2nd at the time. Hell even now I wouldn't do it.

Any other team would have topped Butler. Regehr was in high regard.

It was about the money no matter what Feaster says. Obviously he's gonna misdirect it since he can't exactly say "we made that trade because we were cheap".

If Feaster is telling the truth and that's how he actually judges player talent then that's even worse.
They didn't do it because they were cheap... Feaster wanted space to try and land free agents (Richards).

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They didn't do it because they were cheap... Feaster wanted space to try and land free agents (Richards).
Possibly.

But he still distilled value by shipping Kotalik back when he could have simply waived him instead of getting Buffalo to do that for him.

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