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01-18-2013, 07:53 AM
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How about they start with the 5 games they're allowed to give the rookie and take it from there
I agree. Also I'm sure that what ever they decide, I'll be fine with that. Either way, I have a feeling he going to be a good player.

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Took a few shots of him tonight at the open house game:









Is it me, or does he look really good in a Habs jersey? Almost like he was always destined to wear one

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01-18-2013, 07:58 AM
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Took a few shots of him tonight at the open house game:









He looks so good in the jersey.

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01-18-2013, 08:07 AM
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Hoooo, If I was manager, my goal is to win more often. That my team have the most points at the end of the season, then Gally would be part of the lineup 200%.

He was the only scorer yesterday with Gallager on 24 shooters! And because we know that the Habs lost 12pts in shootout, we really need Gally for SO.

Having Gally in the lineup means having maybe 6-8 more points at the end of the season, which is HUGEEEEEEEEE, it can make the difference between doing playoff or not.

Just my 2 cents.

edit: But if the goal is to tank for next years, then send him back to Sarnia lol


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01-18-2013, 08:11 AM
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Hoooo, If I was manager, my goal is to win more often. That my team have the most points at the end of the season, then Gally would be part of the lineup 200%.

He was the only scorer yesterday with Gallager on 24 shooters! And because we know that the Habs lost 12pts in shootout, we really need Gally for SO.

Having Gally in the lineup means having maybe 6-8 more points at the end of the season, which is HUGEEEEEEEEE, it can make the difference between doing playoff or not.

Just my 2 cents.
I understand that SO are important for a club, but I dought that he makes a difference on the SO only. Personnaly, I hope that the Habs makes it a goal to avoid SO. Go all out in OT

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01-18-2013, 08:23 AM
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Hoooo, If I was manager, my goal is to win more often. That my team have the most points at the end of the season, then Gally would be part of the lineup 200%.

He was the only scorer yesterday with Gallager on 24 shooters! And because we know that the Habs lost 12pts in shootout, we really need Gally for SO.

Having Gally in the lineup means having maybe 6-8 more points at the end of the season, which is HUGEEEEEEEEE, it can make the difference between doing playoff or not.

Just my 2 cents.

edit: But if the goal is to tank for next years, then send him back to Sarnia lol
A case against any player making that much of a difference in the shootout: http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2010/...is-a-crapshoot

Aside from that blog post, IMO one shooter making a 6-8 win difference in shootouts is unreasonable. He would have to score about 10-12 times more than the shooter he would be replacing - so the 3rd choice on shootouts, let's say Plekanec or Gionta. Not going to happen.


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01-18-2013, 08:30 AM
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i thought he was going to wear #94 with the Habs.

Does this mean he will wear #27 going forward?

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01-18-2013, 08:31 AM
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A case against any player making that much of a difference in the shootout: http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2010/...is-a-crapshoot
I'm extremely skeptical of that article.

They report evidence that no shooter is statistically above average, but that several are statistically below average, which doesn't sound credible without further explanation.

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01-18-2013, 08:33 AM
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A case against any player making that much of a difference in the shootout: http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2010/...is-a-crapshoot
This article is undeniable evidence that hockey is a sport that you just can't apply this type of math to.

It is a fact that certain goaltenders consistently excel in the shootout and the same goes for certain skaters. Period, end of story, that's all folks.

This is the same reason that shooting percentage is a fool's stat.

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01-18-2013, 08:40 AM
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I'm extremely skeptical of that article.

They report evidence that no shooter is statistically above average, but that several are statistically below average, which doesn't sound credible without further explanation.
Where do you see that in the article? In the graph for shooters, there are several above average, though the highest regress towards the mean with more attempts.

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01-18-2013, 08:41 AM
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I cant wait for tomorrow. I dont think Nazem Kadri is ready to see what a actual top 10 pick looks like.

GO HABS GO!!!!!!!!!!!

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01-18-2013, 08:45 AM
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A case against any player making that much of a difference in the shootout: http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2010/...is-a-crapshoot

Aside from that blog post, IMO one shooter making a 6-8 win difference in shootouts is unreasonable. He would have to score about 10-12 times more than the shooter he would be replacing - so the 3rd choice on shootouts, let's say Plekanec or Gionta. Not going to happen.
I really dont agree

Look at those stats:
of guys who’ve taken more than 15 attempts:
1. Frans Nielson (59.4% – 32 attempts)
2.Eric Christensen (52.2% – 46 attempts)
3. Ales Kotalik (50% – 44 attempts)
4. Jonathan Teows (50% – 44 attempts)
T5. Michael Handzus (50% – 30 attempts)
T5. Jarret Stoll (50% – 30 attempts)

With those stats it mean that if I have Nielson, Christensen and Kotalik in my lineup, I win all my SO again Habs (and almost all others team).

If you look at the Habs training camps, all Habs players are 0 in 4 for SO. (Except Gally who is 4in4, and maybe 2-3 guys who have 1 goal). For me I prefer Frans, Eric and Ales with a total of 16/30% compare to Habs(without Gally) who are 3/30% lol

Note: I know that Nielson, Chris and Kotalik are not playing for the same team, its just to show that players make a difference when SO arrive... (if you have those players of course, which should start to be a priority for team in the NHL)


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01-18-2013, 08:49 AM
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i thought he was going to wear #94 with the Habs.

Does this mean he will wear #27 going forward?
I don't think anyone has that answer yet, best is to wait until next season, sometimes players change their number after the 1st off season

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01-18-2013, 08:56 AM
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i thought he was going to wear #94 with the Habs.

Does this mean he will wear #27 going forward?
Francois Gagon (Analist at l'antichambre) said a couple of time that normally Gally will switch to 94 if he make the team! But let wait and see...

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01-18-2013, 09:05 AM
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I really dont agree

Look at those stats:
of guys who’ve taken more than 15 attempts:
1. Frans Nielson (59.4% – 32 attempts)
2.Eric Christensen (52.2% – 46 attempts)
3. Ales Kotalik (50% – 44 attempts)
4. Jonathan Teows (50% – 44 attempts)
T5. Michael Handzus (50% – 30 attempts)
T5. Jarret Stoll (50% – 30 attempts)

With those stats it mean that if I have Nielson, Christensen and Kotalik in my lineup, I win all my SO again Habs (and almost all others team).

If you look at the Habs training camps, all Habs players are 0 in 4 for SO. (Except Gally who is 4in4, and maybe 2-3 guys who have 1 goal). For me I prefer Frans, Eric and Ales with a total of 16/30% compare to Habs(without Gally) who are 3/30% lol

Note: I know that Nielson, Chris and Kotalik are not playing for the same team, its just to show that players make a difference when SO arrive... (if you have those players of course, which should start to be a priority for team in the NHL)
Christensen helped get the Rangers in the playoffs with a lot of SO wins, same for Handzus & the Kings who went 10-2 in the SO in 2010-11.

If the NHL sticks with this stupid gimmick, bubble teams should take shootout specialists more serious. Especially if these guys can get you an extra 10 points.

Considering the prognosticators expect between 12+ shootouts on average that's a lot of points up for grabs. How many GWG would we expect from Galchenyuk this year if he stays? 1? 2 maybe? Whereas he might get 3 game winning SO goals...


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01-18-2013, 09:18 AM
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Christensen helped get the Rangers in the playoffs with a lot of SO wins, same for Handzus & the Kings who went 10-2 in the SO in 2010-11.

If the NHL sticks with this stupid gimmick, bubble teams should take shootout specialists more serious. Especially if these guys can get you an extra 10 points.
Handzus actually shot below his career average in 2010-11 (44.4%). Jarret Stoll went 9 for 10 that season... Stoll's career average is 48.4%. Quick's shootout save % in 2010 was .818, compared with his career % of .712.

The 2010-11 Kings are a great example of what goes into putting together a great shootout season. Exceptional performances over a small sample size.

In 2011-12, Pacioretty got the call for more shootouts than any other Hab. He went 2 for 13, 15.4%. His average for his short career is 20%. Is anyone going to make the argument that Pacioretty was a worse shooter last season than previously in his career? His numbers will stabilize, I would take a bet that his career average will end up closer to 30%.

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01-18-2013, 09:24 AM
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Handzus actually shot below his career average in 2010-11 (44.4%). Jarret Stoll went 9 for 10 that season... Stoll's career average is 48.4%. Quick's shootout save % in 2010 was .818, compared with his career % of .712.

The 2010-11 Kings are a great example of what goes into putting together a great shootout season. Exceptional performances over a small sample size.

In 2011-12, Pacioretty got the call for more shootouts than any other Hab. He went 2 for 13, 15.4%. His average for his short career is 20%. Is anyone going to make the argument that Pacioretty was a worse shooter last season than previously in his career? His numbers will stabilize, I would take a bet that his career average will end up closer to 30%.
44% is still enough to help you win a lot of SO in one season.

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The thing is that Habs was winning more often in SO three-fourth years ago when Kovi and Saku was used for SO. Gally and an other good SO player and we are good to go

Edit: 7 players cut
Patrick Holland, Michaël Bournival, Gabriel Dumont, Louis Leblanc, Frédéric St-Denis, Jarred Tinordi et Mike Commodore prennent la direction de Hamilton

Which mean Gally and Gallagher start the season in MTL


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01-18-2013, 09:26 AM
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I guess he's gonna wear #27 or theyre gonna make #94 jersey today for the game tomorrow.

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01-18-2013, 09:27 AM
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Am i the only that is sick and tired of hearing about this crap ? Seriously ?
No you're not. I honestly can't stand this loser mentality.

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01-18-2013, 09:29 AM
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44% is still enough to help you win a lot of SO in one season.
Is it? The difference between a good (44%) shooter and a bad one (24%) over 12 attempts is 2.5 goals... and then you have at least 5 other shooters and 2 goalies to factor in.

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01-18-2013, 09:43 AM
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Did he get to play center in the 2nd period as Therrien said on l'Antichambre?
Curious as well.

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I guess he's gonna wear #27 or theyre gonna make #94 jersey today for the game tomorrow.
I guess today

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Curious as well.
He played as a winger all game I think...

RDS made a point that if they would have tried it at center it means they had the intention to send him down but they need a full time winger in MTL so that's where he remained because they expect him to be part of the team.

Rest assured, Therrien and Bergevin see him as a center down the road which is all that matters.

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Curious as well.
Nope, Therrien said they wanted to see more of him on the wing (LW), because that's where they have a need right now

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