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01-18-2013, 09:30 AM
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Lets be realistic. With out a completely lucky start. The Leafs not making the playoffs.
Now let's leave reality behind.

HEre's a quick rebuild for y'all:

Phaneuf ---> EDM 2013 1st edm doesn't do it if it's a super high pick, as in a YAK, RNH, Hall, Landeskog etc.
{Gunner + 4th -----> PIT 2013 1st}
{Komi + retained salary-----> PIT 2nd (deadline)} change pick to a 4th or 5th
Brown + MacArthur + Kulemin
+ Gardiner -----> Skinner + CAR 2013 1st, Why does Carolina want these players? they've already got pretty effective 2nd-4th liners.
Grabo + retained salary ----> CLB (LAK) 2013 1st

DRaft 2013:
LAK 1st(28th) + CAR 1st(24th) + PIT 2nd(60th) ---------> 10th overall, not enough
PIT 1st (30th) + EDM 1st(18th) + TOR 3rd (61st)------------> 8th Overallnot enough


8th overall + 10th overall -----------> 3rd overall(CLB)

3rd overall + TOR 2nd(31st) ------------>1st/2nd overall. might not be enough, depends on how the first looks @ the draft



There.


Skinner, Jones AND MacKinnon.

Rebuilt and ready to go.

BEautiful!
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01-18-2013, 09:36 AM
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Don't you think you're being a little greedy... Toronto just made the playoffs 10 years ago...
We're still hungover from the '67 cup party.

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01-18-2013, 09:37 AM
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This is why Leafs fans cant have nice things
Perfect response.

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01-18-2013, 09:39 AM
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Lets be realistic. With out a completely lucky start. The Leafs not making the playoffs.
Now let's leave reality behind.

HEre's a quick rebuild for y'all:

Phaneuf ---> EDM 2013 1st
{Gunner + 4th -----> PIT 2013 1st}
{Komi + retained salary-----> PIT 2nd (deadline)}
Brown + MacArthur + Kulemin + Gardiner -----> Skinner + CAR 2013 1st
Grabo + retained salary ----> CLB (LAK) 2013 1st

DRaft 2013:
LAK 1st(28th) + CAR 1st(24th) + PIT 2nd(60th) ---------> 10th overall
PIT 1st (30th) + EDM 1st(18th) + TOR 3rd (61st)------------> 8th Overall

8th overall + 10th overall -----------> 3rd overall(CLB)

3rd overall + TOR 2nd(31st) ------------>1st/2nd overall.


There.


Skinner, Jones AND MacKinnon.

Rebuilt and ready to go.

BEautiful!
So when do we get to the realistic part?

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01-18-2013, 09:48 AM
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Lets be realistic. With out a completely lucky start. The Leafs not making the playoffs.
Now let's leave reality behind.

HEre's a quick rebuild for y'all:

Phaneuf ---> EDM 2013 1st
{Gunner + 4th -----> PIT 2013 1st}
{Komi + retained salary-----> PIT 2nd (deadline)}
Brown + MacArthur + Kulemin + Gardiner -----> Skinner + CAR 2013 1st
Grabo + retained salary ----> CLB (LAK) 2013 1st

DRaft 2013:
LAK 1st(28th) + CAR 1st(24th) + PIT 2nd(60th) ---------> 10th overall
PIT 1st (30th) + EDM 1st(18th) + TOR 3rd (61st)------------> 8th Overall

8th overall + 10th overall -----------> 3rd overall(CLB)

3rd overall + TOR 2nd(31st) ------------>1st/2nd overall.


There.


Skinner, Jones AND MacKinnon.

Rebuilt and ready to go.

BEautiful!

This much I can agree with.

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01-18-2013, 09:50 AM
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Toronto I believe is about a year or two away from being a solid team that will be contending for a playoff spot. The have a decent top 6 and top 4 defense. I just don't see any offensive prospects to help fill in the top position. Maybe in the future drafts they can get someone. No need to go crazy and blow up the team.

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01-18-2013, 09:55 AM
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And every team should make these deals because they owe it to the Leafs (the center of the universe), right?

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01-18-2013, 10:02 AM
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Let me kill this even more than everyone already has. No from Pit on both trades. We have no use for wither of those players.

We will give you a 2nd and a mid level d or o prospect for Kulemin tho.

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01-18-2013, 10:04 AM
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i agree with OP it's time the Leafs got rid of all these vets and start a proper youth movement, first step of which is trading Jake Gardiner.

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01-18-2013, 10:27 AM
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I dont get it, if they need to rebuild, what the hell have they been doing the last 5 years?

Seriously, leaf fans make me lol.

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01-18-2013, 10:37 AM
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Just make it easy and trade Kessel back to Boston for Tyler Seguin, Dougie Hamilton and Jared Knight

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01-18-2013, 10:52 AM
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I dont get it, if they need to rebuild, what the hell have they been doing the last 5 years?

Seriously, leaf fans make me lol.
Well they've been royally screwing up the rebuild by trying to accelerate it... and they've set themselves back because of it. The Kessel trade is a perfect example of how. I like Kessel. If he was the final piece that the Leafs needed to make a deep playoff run, it'd have been a good trade. Instead they basically traded 2 top 5 picks for one. That set them back exactly one year.

Toronto needs what Toronto ownership has never been able to tolerate. They need to be complete trash for a few years. And that doesn't mean just losing (which is what they've been doing), but it means having almost zero high profile players on the team. The team needs to just accept that it needs to be completely broken for a while. That's the only thing that's going to restock the system. The Oilers, Isles and Penguins are all pretty good examples of teams rebuilding the right way, though they're in different stages and have varying degrees of success. This is the way it's supposed to be done. You don't keep a **** team, but also have 4 or 5 star players on it who are ~30 years old.

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01-18-2013, 11:38 AM
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This is why Leafs fans cant have nice things
haha great post


lol why on earth would the pens want Komisarek? actually dont answer that they dont.

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01-18-2013, 11:39 AM
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Just make it easy and trade Kessel back to Boston for Tyler Seguin, Dougie Hamilton and Jared Knight
lol no GM would ever be stupid enough to make that deal

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01-18-2013, 11:57 AM
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I can't see any of these trades happening. Especially the Skinner one.

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01-18-2013, 11:57 AM
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Another rebuild? What is this? 2006?

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01-18-2013, 12:02 PM
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The Toronto solution to... something. Rebuild every five years!

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Lets be realistic. With out a completely lucky start. The Leafs not making the playoffs.
Now let's leave reality behind.

HEre's a quick rebuild for y'all:

Phaneuf ---> EDM 2013 1st
{Gunner + 4th -----> PIT 2013 1st}
{Komi + retained salary-----> PIT 2nd (deadline)}
Brown + MacArthur + Kulemin + Gardiner -----> Skinner + CAR 2013 1st
Grabo + retained salary ----> CLB (LAK) 2013 1st

DRaft 2013:
LAK 1st(28th) + CAR 1st(24th) + PIT 2nd(60th) ---------> 10th overall
PIT 1st (30th) + EDM 1st(18th) + TOR 3rd (61st)------------> 8th Overall

8th overall + 10th overall -----------> 3rd overall(CLB)

3rd overall + TOR 2nd(31st) ------------>1st/2nd overall.


There.


Skinner, Jones AND MacKinnon.

Rebuilt and ready to go.

BEautiful!
That first sentence is hilarious.

Now if you were able to acquire four other team's first round picks, you have managed to package 4 first round picks, two seconds and a third for the second overall?

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01-18-2013, 01:03 PM
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Lets be realistic. With out a completely lucky start. The Leafs not making the playoffs.
Now let's leave reality behind.

HEre's a quick rebuild for y'all:

Phaneuf ---> EDM 2013 1st
{Gunner + 4th -----> PIT 2013 1st}
{Komi + retained salary-----> PIT 2nd (deadline)}
Brown + MacArthur + Kulemin + Gardiner -----> Skinner + CAR 2013 1st
Grabo + retained salary ----> CLB (LAK) 2013 1st

DRaft 2013:
LAK 1st(28th) + CAR 1st(24th) + PIT 2nd(60th) ---------> 10th overall
PIT 1st (30th) + EDM 1st(18th) + TOR 3rd (61st)------------> 8th Overall

8th overall + 10th overall -----------> 3rd overall(CLB)

3rd overall + TOR 2nd(31st) ------------>1st/2nd overall.


There.


Skinner, Jones AND MacKinnon.

Rebuilt and ready to go.

BEautiful!


I read the post then went back up and re read the bolded post. No joke fell out of my chair laughing. Thanks OP.

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01-18-2013, 01:52 PM
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What a waste of tme reading that op was.

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I read the post then went back up and re read the bolded post. No joke fell out of my chair laughing. Thanks OP.
You missed the part he clearly states he is leaving reality behind?

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The only thing that could make OP's proposal any more unrealistic is if it somehow involved a time machine and Wayne Gretzky.
Yeah alright there champ

BIONIC Gretzky is obviously the answer

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01-18-2013, 02:15 PM
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if youre rebuilding why not trade kessel

or do it the old fashion way, tank till u get enough lottery picks

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Lets be realistic. With out a completely lucky start. The Leafs not making the playoffs.
Now let's leave reality behind.

HEre's a quick rebuild for y'all:

[...]
Grabo + retained salary ----> CLB (LAK) 2013 1st
No. We have seven centers, four of which are top-6 capable. Grabovski is not needed.

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8th overall + 10th overall -----------> 3rd overall(CLB)
Absolutely not a snowball's chance in hell, and you should feel ashamed for even thinking of it.

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When was the last time CLB had a 50-60pts natural center?
Ostensibly, Jeff Carter. More realistically, Antoine Vermette. Brassard and Johansen have that as their likely upside. Dubinsky and Anisimov are both possible.

Go learn before you post.

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that skinner trade...shudder...take out the Car 1st are youre still not even close. The only appetizing piece there is gardiner

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