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01-18-2013, 04:10 PM
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Sign and Trade:Oilers/Bruins

To Oilers:
Nathan Horton (signed)






To Boston
Ryan Whitney(Signed)

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01-18-2013, 04:19 PM
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Nathan Horton (signed)






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Ryan Whitney(Signed)

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I get the feeling that there is a somewhat good chance that the Bruins will just sign both as UFA if they get that far and it works within the salary cap.

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01-18-2013, 04:20 PM
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I get the feeling that there is a somewhat good chance that the Bruins will just sign both as UFA if they get that far.
I don't see how that's possible when they don't have the room?

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01-18-2013, 04:22 PM
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How often do you see sign and trades in the NHL? It's not like the NBA with their weird salary cap rules that cause sign and trades all the time. I'm not the biggest fan of the value either, always been just kinda meh with Whitney.

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0.407 of cap space,and they have to re-sign Rask.

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How often do you see sign and trades in the NHL? It's not like the NBA with their weird salary cap rules that cause sign and trades all the time. I'm not the biggest fan of the value either, always been just kinda meh with Whitney.
Do you honestly think Boston will try to bring back Horton?

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01-18-2013, 04:24 PM
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I don't see how that's possible when they don't have the room?
There is a lot of time between now and then and a lot can happen. To go along with what cap space they have it is possible that a player is traded opening cap space and that is why I said if there is room within the cap.

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01-18-2013, 04:30 PM
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0.407 of cap space,and they have to re-sign Rask.
Cap geek says they have ~$58,000,000 committed next year with Horton, Rask and Ference the notable free agents. Plus that number includes Savard's $4,000,000 which can go on LTIR. They're not quite as up against it as you think.

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01-18-2013, 04:31 PM
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Do you honestly think Boston will try to bring back Horton?


Are you serious?

Of ***ing course they want him back. How many people on HF actually watch hockey, I wonder...

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01-18-2013, 05:28 PM
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If Whitney proves to be healthy EDM will resign him. When healthy he is a legit top 2 dman. We won't let him leave.

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01-18-2013, 05:48 PM
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Cap geek says they have ~$58,000,000 committed next year with Horton, Rask and Ference the notable free agents. Plus that number includes Savard's $4,000,000 which can go on LTIR. They're not quite as up against it as you think.
I was just going to post this. Yes things will be tight, but not impossible. Their issue is going to be that if they need to make a deal, all their bigger contracts all contain NTCs, which while not impossible to move, could make things harder to get full value.

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01-18-2013, 05:59 PM
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Do you honestly think Boston will try to bring back Horton?
Why not? Despite his injuries, he has been one of their best players. Sounds like you're looking for a reason to justify your proposal.

Where exactly would Horton fit on the Oil roster anyway?

Hall - RNH - Eberle
Hemsky - Gagner - Yakupov

Not seeing a lot of wiggle room there.

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01-18-2013, 06:03 PM
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Are the Oilers hard up for forwards already?

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01-18-2013, 06:12 PM
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Do you honestly think Boston will try to bring back Horton?




Yes.

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01-18-2013, 06:18 PM
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Nathan Horton (signed)






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Ryan Whitney(Signed)

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AH HA! Playing on the hometown boy makes good theory....


Bruins will resign Horton and I don't think they will go after Whitney.

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01-18-2013, 06:19 PM
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To be fair to the OP, a few posters have theorized that the Bruins will likely not re-sign Horton. It's not like some crazy idea or something.

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01-18-2013, 07:41 PM
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If Whitney proves to be healthy EDM will resign him. When healthy he is a legit top 2 dman. We won't let him leave.

Well in fairness thats up to him not the team.

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01-18-2013, 07:59 PM
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As far as value goes, it's not bad. But Edmonton badly needs capable defense, and isn't particularly in need of top-6 players at this point. If Edmonton added a forward/prospect/pick and Boston added a d-man...and played around with the difference with picks and/or prospects, a deal could be had.

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01-18-2013, 08:15 PM
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Are you serious?

Of ***ing course they want him back. How many people on HF actually watch hockey, I wonder...
Um its not outrageous to think a very smart GM doesn't resign there weakest big money forward with concussion problems.

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Edmonton would need to add, significantly I would think.

Whitney just doesn't hold a lot of value right now.

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01-18-2013, 08:31 PM
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The only way I move Whitney for Horton is if Whitney tells us he isn't re-signing. For all of Whitney's health issues, Horton is a power forward-ish player with a recent history of concussions. As badly as we need some toughness, I don't want to take a chance on Horton.

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01-18-2013, 08:32 PM
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As far as value goes, it's not bad. But Edmonton badly needs capable defense, and isn't particularly in need of top-6 players at this point. If Edmonton added a forward/prospect/pick and Boston added a d-man...and played around with the difference with picks and/or prospects, a deal could be had.
Edmonton has a much more capable defense than a year ago. Petry and Smid are a solid second pair. N. Schultz is a good second pair guy. Fistric is a decent enough bottom pair guy. Whitney is a first pair guy when healthy, second pair when not. Justin Shultz is a wild card, but will probably be a very good d-man. That said, trading Whitney puts Corey Potter back in the lineup every night, and I want no part of that, ha ha.

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if these guys were hitting RFA status, a sign and trade could actually make sense.

The fact that they're hitting UFA status, it makes ZERO sense. It just never happens and for good reason. Why would Horton sign a new contract as a UFA with Boston - when he can sign with any team he wants to - just to be traded to Edmonton? And the same is true for Whitney.

This is why you NEVER see teams sign a player about to hit UFA status and then trade him to another team. It just leaves a bad impression with the rest of the players on the team and other future players they may target in FA.

If, for example, Boston did this, then what happens the following season when Bergeron is about to hit FA? or the season after when Krejci hits FA? Are they really going to be that quick to sign their next deal with Boston seeing as how they signed Horton to a contract as a FA, and then shipped him out?

Or do you think that if the Bruins approached Horton and told him to forego FA, sign with them, so they can deal him to Edmonton, he'd be all that thrilled about it?

Every so often on these boards this whole "sign and trade" idea pops up, yet people don't seem to realize that it doesn't happen in the NHL, and for good reason. It's as likely you see sign and trades with UFA players as you will see teams loaning star players to other teams for a Cup run, and then getting them back.. again, just doesn't happen.

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How often do you see sign and trades in the NHL? It's not like the NBA with their weird salary cap rules that cause sign and trades all the time.
There is that new CBA rule of seven years max unless you're resigning your own guy...
...then again, I'm not sure if, say, that doesn't apply equally well to a UFA whose signing rights you just traded for.

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I question which one is more injury prone, and which one the Oilers would be able to resign or have most value for at the TDL. Pass would rather keep Whitney, for his leadership and if he stays healthy he will have more valuable at the TDL.

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