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01-18-2013, 08:51 PM
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The belief that a team needs to have a tough guy in the top 6 is outdated and uneccessary, especially in the west.

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01-18-2013, 09:01 PM
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Who gives a crap? Put the Oilers on a pp and teams will pay. Whose top 6 has more skill (besides Pitt, NYR and Phi)?

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01-18-2013, 09:04 PM
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It's funny, the Sens got softer by ditching Carkner & Konopka (who they'll miss for faceoffs, too), and I think it was a terrible move. Now their only muscle is Neil. This might be fine during the regular season, but come playoffs the "New NHL" rules go out the window and it's no different than 1998. The grittier team wins in the playoffs. It's how the Ducks out-muscled the Sens in '07, and the B's out-muscled the Canucks in 2011.

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01-18-2013, 09:05 PM
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Who gives a crap? Put the Oilers on a pp and teams will pay. Whose top 6 has more skill (besides Pitt, NYR and Phi)?
LA, Minny, Carolina, Anaheim, Vancouver

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01-18-2013, 09:16 PM
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LA, Minny, Carolina, Anaheim, Vancouver
Really?

Doesn't Carolina has Tlusty in the top 6? Isn't anaheims second line a 40 year old center being flanked by Palmeiri?

What's Minnys second line? Bouchard Brodziak and Setogutchi?

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01-18-2013, 09:16 PM
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LA, Minny, Carolina, Anaheim, Vancouver
Chicago as well

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01-18-2013, 09:19 PM
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Of course they're tough. Yakupov just tweeted this.


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01-18-2013, 09:19 PM
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The belief that a team needs to have a tough guy in the top 6 is outdated and uneccessary, especially in the west.
Disagree. This isnt pond hockey. This is the NHL, rinks are small and physicality is a large part of the game. I dont know what you have been watching.

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01-18-2013, 09:20 PM
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Regardless, even though Hall and RNH were out for extended periods last year the Oilers still finished 3rd on the powerplay. Throw Schultz and Yakupov into the mix and teams are probably going to regret taking runs at the Oilers star players.

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01-18-2013, 09:20 PM
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Of course they're tough. Yakupov just tweeted this.

that's pretty good

needed a "Schultzy" but I found that pretty hilarious

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01-18-2013, 09:21 PM
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name me a softer team- you can't do it.

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01-18-2013, 09:24 PM
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name me a softer team- you can't do it.
Montreal.

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01-18-2013, 09:24 PM
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They should have a heavy. Oilers always used to have one until recently. McSorely, Semenko, Brown, DeBrusk, and Big Georges.
With all their young guns, they need someone the prospects can look down the bench at when the game starts to teater on the brink.

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01-18-2013, 09:25 PM
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Disagree. This isnt pond hockey. This is the NHL, rinks are small and physicality is a large part of the game. I dont know what you have been watching.
The same game for 42 years. I know what the NHL is and was. More than most. I stated an opinion based on my involvement in the game on every level and the fact that I personally know a player on the Oilers team who has made a career out of playing smart, not violent. Don't insult my intelligence because you'll only humiliate yourself.

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01-18-2013, 09:31 PM
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Really?

Doesn't Carolina has Tlusty in the top 6? Isn't anaheims second line a 40 year old center being flanked by Palmeiri?

What's Minnys second line? Bouchard Brodziak and Setogutchi?

Palmeiri Getz perry
Ryan bonino Teemu

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01-18-2013, 09:36 PM
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Montreal.
Not with Erik Cole and Max Pacioretty in the top 6.

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01-18-2013, 09:42 PM
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name me a softer team- you can't do it.
Vancouver?

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01-18-2013, 09:43 PM
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Regardless, even though Hall and RNH were out for extended periods last year the Oilers still finished 3rd on the powerplay. Throw Schultz and Yakupov into the mix and teams are probably going to regret taking runs at the Oilers star players.
Taking runs and just being physical is totally different. Canucks had (2011 season) and still have a monster powerplay, but getting tougher would be preferred. Especially in the playoffs, when RNH is gonna get smoked by d-men like Edler.

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01-18-2013, 09:45 PM
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LA, Minny, Carolina, Anaheim, Vancouver
I don't see the Canucks 2nd line exactly filling the net this year.

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01-18-2013, 09:46 PM
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You don't need to have a lot of team toughness if you are overloaded with talent. If you have just a good team talent and relative softness, you can be beat. But if you can fly with two superfast and talented lines, I think you can afford to be less tough than your opponent.

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01-18-2013, 09:48 PM
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Whatever. I dont need to insult your intelligence. You are doing that all by yourself. I can make claims too. But, without proof on the internet, Id just look fake. Even if you know someone on the Oilers... does that make you an expert?

Fact is, you can have players on your team that dont play a physical game, but you cant have a team full of them and expect to win a Cup. You need physical players to separate people from pucks and work the corners in the NHL.

You need physical players on the backend and in the forward groups. IF you are just talking about goon types then I agree, but I think you are seriously devaluing players with grit/toughness/skill and their impact on the game. Think Pronger, Chara, Backes.


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01-18-2013, 09:53 PM
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Vancouver?



took me like 30 seconds, im sure there are a lot more

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01-18-2013, 10:03 PM
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They are pretty soft. But their real problem on top of that is they essentially one trick ponies with no defense and goaltending. It just bad Roster management especially with all those tanked picks they acquired.

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01-18-2013, 10:06 PM
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For the past 10+ years, people have been saying that you don't need to be tough to win. This is true. But playing a less skilled yet "tougher" team is still a challenge (See: Pit/Phi 2012). Hockey is a physical game. Getting roughed up can easily get the emotions flowing and knock you off your game.

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01-18-2013, 10:07 PM
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took me like 30 seconds, im sure there are a lot more
lol @ that first video

Yes Edler has a nice physical edge to his game and can step up on guys with his speed.

we're talking about teams though not just one single player. I could post a fistric hit-reel as well, doesn't mean Edmonton is physical.

Heres the teams real-time stats from last year, some of the teams near the bottom of the hits list are/were pretty good teams. (keep in mind real-time stats are sketchy at best due to poor score keeping and home ice stat buffing)

http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm...=realTimeStats

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