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01-18-2013, 09:25 PM
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Yeah..but eventually that pick has a name. And everyone on these boards loves to remind us about Seguin and Hamilton (like it's a news flash). I think Nuck fans just want in on that action.

The other big issue here which is constantly over looked...is why should us Leaf fans want to give up a lung for a player who openly suggests he doesn't even want to be a Leaf? Screw Lu. I hope he enjoys his time on the bench or the beach.
Yes, by wanting to improve our team we really mean we want to make fun of posters on an internet forum...seems logical.

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01-18-2013, 09:26 PM
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The simple fact is... Gillis has a goalie that is going to horribly underutilized this year.

He has that goalie, because he was either incapable of evaluating the market, and refused to trade him for fair market value. The team that seemed to be most interest, just made a very clear commitment to youth. Everything else, is just white noise.
According to you, there's not much difference between Reimer and Schneider. Perhaps Gillis feels the same way?

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01-18-2013, 09:30 PM
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The simple fact is... Gillis has a goalie that is going to horribly underutilized this year.

He has that goalie, because he was either incapable of evaluating the market, and refused to trade him for fair market value. The team that seemed to be most interest, just made a very clear commitment to youth. Everything else, is just white noise.
This.

All the other 29 GMs cant be wrong. If one GM wouldnt play ball some other one would have. There were teams interested but NONE were going to meet Gillis demands for the guy and now he has to end up eating him since he couldnt get a back up until he was traded and Lack is still injured.

He cant really trade Luongo right now anyways. He waited too long.

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01-18-2013, 09:31 PM
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Yes, by wanting to improve our team we really mean we want to make fun of posters on an internet forum...seems logical.
Logical is not chasing a player who doesn't even want to be part of your team.

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01-18-2013, 09:33 PM
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This.

All the other 29 GMs cant be wrong. If one GM wouldnt play ball some other one would have. There were teams interested but NONE were going to meet Gillis demands for the guy and now he has to end up eating him since he couldnt get a back up until he was traded and Lack is still injured.

He cant really trade Luongo right now anyways. He waited too long.
It's strange how you two post usually at the same time frame. I guess we will see if he can or cannot.

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The simple fact is... Gillis has a goalie that is going to horribly underutilized this year.

He has that goalie, because he was either incapable of evaluating the market, and refused to trade him for fair market value. The team that seemed to be most interest, just made a very clear commitment to youth. Everything else, is just white noise.
Agree...Now let us count to 5 slowly to give certain rabid Nucks fans the opportunity to tell us:
Gillis is genuis who signed Luongo to a cap friendly contract with a NTC
Lou is a top 5 goalie at 33 (who the Nucks benched)
Gillis will get his asking price of an established player, a top prospect and a high pick
There are 4-5 teams beating down Gillis' door
it is best for the Nucks to go with Lou as a backup this season
Lou will never be bought out in the offseason, because his trade value is increasing
There is a Santa Claus who lives right next door to the Tooth Fairy....

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Logical is not chasing a player who doesn't even want to be part of your team.
That's pretty much speculation...what not speculation is the canucks wanting good players back. That is logical.

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01-18-2013, 09:38 PM
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Agree...Now let us count to 5 slowly to give certain rabid Nucks fans the opportunity to tell us:
Gillis is genuis who signed Luongo to a cap friendly contract with a NTC
Lou is a top 5 goalie at 33 (who the Nucks benched)
Gillis will get his asking price of an established player, a top prospect and a high pick
There are 4-5 teams beating down Gillis' door
it is best for the Nucks to go with Lou as a backup this season
Lou will never be bought out in the offseason, because his trade value is increasing
There is a Santa Claus who lives right next door to the Tooth Fairy....
Can you buy Luongo out then re sign him? If that was the case it would up his value tremendously.

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01-18-2013, 09:44 PM
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Can you buy Luongo out then re sign him? If that was the case it would up his value tremendously.
No. And even if it were legal, he would(and should) just sign in Florida.

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It's strange how you two post usually at the same time frame. I guess we will see if he can or cannot.
The most elaborate troll of the 21st century..

Edler resigned on a relatively light hit (for the caliber of player), it's plausible Lou can stay if we buy out or waive Ballard/Booth, if that's what Gillis wants.

I don't see any movement before the trade deadline. Could get interesting if there are some stragglers in the stands.

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No need to trade Luongo unless we get good value, especially after settling a good deal with Edler.

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The Toronto Maple Leafs remain in the hunt for Luongo, but do not presently seem interested in parting with center Tyler Bozak, prospect Nazim Kadri and defenseman Carl Gunnarsson as part of a package.
Gillis, while speaking to Vancouver sports radio station The Team 1040 this afternoon, indicated that he's still talking but admitted that he does not have a specific price on Luongo.

"Fair value is different for every team that you speak to because they have different players, they have different concerns and different contractual issues that play into what they have available that you might want," he said.

It has been widely speculated that the general asking price for Luongo is too high, but Gillis revealed that such a rumor was spread around by "a team that was extremely interested in Roberto and were using every means possible to try and force us to do something that we didn't think was right."

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The Toronto Maple Leafs remain in the hunt for Luongo, but do not presently seem interested in parting with center Tyler Bozak, prospect Nazim Kadri and defenseman Carl Gunnarsson as part of a package.
Gillis, while speaking to Vancouver sports radio station The Team 1040 this afternoon, indicated that he's still talking but admitted that he does not have a specific price on Luongo.

"Fair value is different for every team that you speak to because they have different players, they have different concerns and different contractual issues that play into what they have available that you might want," he said.

It has been widely speculated that the general asking price for Luongo is too high, but Gillis revealed that such a rumor was spread around by "a team that was extremely interested in Roberto and were using every means possible to try and force us to do something that we didn't think was right."
Ok? This was like two threads back?

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Can you buy Luongo out then re sign him? If that was the case it would up his value tremendously.
he wouldn't last till the buy out period

As soon as Gillis goes, Luongo you're placed on waivers for the purposes of a buyout

5 teams will put in claims and his friendly 5.3m cap hit

The issue is neither the hit nor the contract because the above scenario holds true

The issue is that Gillis, rightfully so, is hanging on to him and will not cave to the pressure to trade him unless it helps the Canucks right now.

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01-18-2013, 10:03 PM
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Fair value for Luongo is a 33 year old very good player with a decent cap hit and huge contract length.

Gillis wants 20 year old high end prospects making relatively nothing in exchange. Its just not realistic. I wish it was but its obvious at this point it isnt.

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he wouldn't last till the buy out period

As soon as Gillis goes, Luongo you're placed on waivers for the purposes of a buyout

5 teams will put in claims and his friendly 5.3m cap hit

The issue is neither the hit nor the contract because the above scenario holds true

The issue is that Gillis, rightfully so, is hanging on to him and will not cave to the pressure to trade him unless it helps the Canucks right now.
I understand the logic and I agree. However, hes hanging onto Luongo until WHEN ????

WHEN is this magic deal going to come around that hasn't already done so in the last 8 months? Luongos value is not going to go UP in the next 4 months .

So what is Gillis waiting for ????

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To all the posters mocking Vans player movement and GM.

Lets get a couple facts straight.

He signs his own talent for under market value. Sure you might disagree with the Lu contract but never the less many other contracts are team friendly.

Vancouver has signed a highly touted UFAs for discount contracts every year.

Only a handfull of teams have a deeper or more talented team. Of those most of them besides NY/philly tanked hard and drafted them.

Van will again compete for the cup. Barring a total collapse or injuries they should be a top 3 seed in the west again.

Van HAS one of the best top lines in the league
Van HAS one of the best d cores in the league
Van HAS two world class starters.

Van Has some holes in the line up due to injury. If all our players where available and healthy we are a top contender no question.

Mike Gillis has molded this team the last few years and set the team up to be competitve long term.

We would like to move LU. He deserves a starter roll in the NHL. He is one of the best goalies in the world. Voted MOST DIFFICULT TO SCORE ON BY THE PLAYERS one year removed. That itself outweighs anything us message board GMs can spout off about. ABove and beyond that he has acted with class and been a team player through this all.

Vancouver will be fine this year. They might win they might have an off year but the outlook looks decent too good.

All the teams saying they dont need LU are full of it. TO's goalie situation is tragic no offence.. How many years in a row are you going to ride the next big thing? How many of those have panned out so far?

If you want to ride rookies or find cheaper solotions by all means look elsewhere. But.. when you get sick of weak goals costing you games and you sit in that 9-11 hole again by 2-5 points remember all this spouting off.

Mike Gillis has proven to be a patient man. We can trade LU to florida for a meh pick or prospect anytime im pretty sure. Compared to garbage being offered up here id rather send him close to his family for his 6 years of great play and make a statement to the rest of the league. Vancouver canucks take care of there players come play here.

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I am going to say this, I think TO is making the right choice by not going with Lu. I see them missing the playoffs this season, but probably getting one of Ott goalies, maybe Anderson who would fit perfectly.

So Leaf fans best of luck to you.

For us, I gotta think we are taking this to the summer, and I really see Philly becoming a player. This makes me happy.
You think Ottawa is going to trade a goalie to their provincial rival?!?

Isn't that about as likely as Luongo going to the Oilers?


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With Edlers' 5mill extension does this mean that Lou is gone for next season? If I recall correctly they have 14 guys signed with 4 mill cap space for next season. I am not saying that they cant move another body before that but Lou would be the obvious choice.

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With Edlers' 5mill extension does this mean that Lou is gone for next season? If I recall correctly they have 14 guys signed with 4 mill cap space for next season. I am not saying that they cant move another body before that but Lou would be the obvious choice.
It means Ballard is definitely gone. Maybe Booth, depending on his season this year. One of Luongo/Schneider will probably be moved, but I doubt it will be because of the cap.

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You know what's worse than an Edmonton style rebuild? A CBJ/NYI/FLA style rebuild... The Oilers model doesn't necessarily work and still may not work for them.
Very true. Everything is hunky dory in Edmonton right now, but soon the expectations will grow. Tambellini has proven he can draft well. They have good draft picks besides the obvious ones. Now can the team develop and can he build around them in time. And eventually, can he manage to sign everyone and stay competitive. There are still a huge amount of questions about where Edmonton will end up. Potential and realized potential are two very different things.

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Fair value for Luongo is a 33 year old very good player with a decent cap hit and huge contract length.

Gillis wants 20 year old high end prospects making relatively nothing in exchange. Its just not realistic. I wish it was but its obvious at this point it isnt.
So... Hossa? Cause we'll do that trade.

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Um, we never said they live next door!

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So... Hossa? Cause we'll do that trade.
Basically, yes, this is the equivalent.

Would we honestly do that deal? Hossa is a 20 goal guy for 3 more years then a dud.

Basically the same scenario as Lui.

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