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01-18-2013, 08:42 PM
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If I was trading Hall to EDM I would want a lot more than Gagner and Hemsky. Even if I was getting 2013 1st round pick.
Come the end of this year they are going to have a lot of cap space. Jagr,Morrow, Roy, and Ryder are all UFAs. They will have a lot of cap space.

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@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Edler deal in Vancouver: $30 M over 6 years

Seems like a fair deal for Alex Edler

Edit: maybe a little to much actually, idk not a big fan of the guy.

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01-18-2013, 10:14 PM
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@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Edler deal in Vancouver: $30 M over 6 years

Seems like a fair deal for Alex Edler

Edit: maybe a little to much actually, idk not a big fan of the guy.
That seems like an amazing deal to me. He's the top defenseman on one of the best teams in the league. A $5 Million cap hit at a good (but non-maximum) length that will take him into his mid-30s. What's not to like?

That's probably a discount of $1 million a year from what Edler could have got hitting UFA this summer.

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01-18-2013, 10:17 PM
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@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Edler deal in Vancouver: $30 M over 6 years

Seems like a fair deal for Alex Edler

Edit: maybe a little to much actually, idk not a big fan of the guy.

No way, that's a really good contract.

He's an upcoming UFA who had lots of leverage (would've been the best UFA dman hands down) and he signed a 6 year deal for only 5m a season.

That is a great deal for Gillis and the Canucks.

Suddenly Smid is the best UFA defenseman coming up next season.

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That seems like an amazing deal to me. He's the top defenseman on one of the best teams in the league. A $5 Million cap hit at a good (but non-maximum) length that will take him into his mid-30s. What's not to like?

That's probably a discount of $1 million a year from what Edler could have got hitting UFA this summer.
Agreed, he would've got PAID this offseason if he went to UFA.

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01-18-2013, 10:33 PM
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That is a great deal for Gillis and the Canucks.
Hate to agree, but yeah, that's a really nice signing.

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01-18-2013, 10:41 PM
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Might really help us out with Smid in terms of comparables.
Meaning that Edler is a far superior dman.
Maybe Smid gets 3.5/year now.

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We need more deals signed like this. Only helps with comps.

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01-18-2013, 11:01 PM
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Yeah you guys are right good deal for the Canucks he would have got more on the open market for sure.
I hope Tambo gets smid signed well before July it would suck to lose him.

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01-18-2013, 11:05 PM
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good value deal for the canucks but it has some risk. Edler has had back problems which have been getting worse. Unlike knees or shoulders, there isn't a simple operation which might restore him to 100%.

Like Whitney, he is adapting his game to suit the reality of his body. 6 years is a long time to play at an elite level with a bad back.

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@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Edler deal in Vancouver: $30 M over 6 years

Seems like a fair deal for Alex Edler

Edit: maybe a little to much actually, idk not a big fan of the guy.
That's an excellent deal for Edler but i'm a big fan.
I think that $5 mil/yr deal long term for an impending UFA who is a legit #1 defenseman IMO is a really good deal for the Canucks unfortunately.

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01-19-2013, 12:22 AM
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Smid can actually get more than this if he tests free agency now...
supply vs demand!!!

Hopefully we sign him soon....

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01-19-2013, 01:44 AM
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Smid can actually get more than this if he tests free agency now...
supply vs demand!!!

Hopefully we sign him soon....
Smid will sign. I think this gets done way before he hits FA.

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01-19-2013, 01:46 AM
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Smid can actually get more than this if he tests free agency now...
supply vs demand!!!

Hopefully we sign him soon....
IMO management is going to wait until the 20-25 game mark to make a decision on Smid. Tambo and Co want to see if last year was an aberration or if he has now fully matured into a legit shutdown Dman. He has had streches before where he looks great followed by streches of poor play. If he comes out and plays well I would like to see him signed for 4/5 years between 3.5-4. It may be a small gamble on managements part because you have to pay slightly more, but with the money thats going to be allocated to main pieces its not such a bad thing to be sure when handing out that kind of a contract.

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01-19-2013, 03:10 AM
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Franson is a better dman than most seem to think. Just because he's stuck in TO on a fairly deep defensive squad doesn't mean he's crap.

I'd definitely take him over someone like Potter.

I'm not saying the Oilers should trade for him because they already are getting a glut of dmen on the roster but Franson would be a good bottom pairing option if we knew Whitney was not going to be effective anymore.

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01-19-2013, 03:12 AM
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Teams certainly are accumulating dmen... looks like a few will be carrying 8 or maybe even 9 unless some trades go down very soon.

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01-19-2013, 04:07 AM
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Franson is a better dman than most seem to think. Just because he's stuck in TO on a fairly deep defensive squad doesn't mean he's crap.

I'd definitely take him over someone like Potter.

I'm not saying the Oilers should trade for him because they already are getting a glut of dmen on the roster but Franson would be a good bottom pairing option if we knew Whitney was not going to be effective anymore.
The Leafs D were worse then the Oilers last year and Franson was their 7th D. He has real bad lateral movement, slow takeoff speed, will play a physical game, but that rarely happens. Often gets caught standing still doing a pylon imitation. You would think he would of excelled under Ron Wilson and the type of wide open game he coaches, but if anything he took a big step backward. He was often a HS and when he did played it was only because of injuries to other D on the team He has a above average shot and does not do a bad job at carrying the puck, but his poor decision making and hockey sense wouldn't make him a good fit in Edmonton.

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01-19-2013, 07:03 AM
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That seems like an amazing deal to me. He's the top defenseman on one of the best teams in the league. A $5 Million cap hit at a good (but non-maximum) length that will take him into his mid-30s. What's not to like?

That's probably a discount of $1 million a year from what Edler could have got hitting UFA this summer.
The only issue is how his back holds up. If he is healthy this is an excellent deal for the Canucks.

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01-19-2013, 11:46 AM
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im mad at how good of a deal that is for vancouver, if he went to the absolute highest bigger i think he could get 7+/y, and i bet plenty of good teams/contenders would offer 6+.

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The Leafs D were worse then the Oilers last year and Franson was their 7th D. He has real bad lateral movement, slow takeoff speed, will play a physical game, but that rarely happens. Often gets caught standing still doing a pylon imitation. You would think he would of excelled under Ron Wilson and the type of wide open game he coaches, but if anything he took a big step backward. He was often a HS and when he did played it was only because of injuries to other D on the team He has a above average shot and does not do a bad job at carrying the puck, but his poor decision making and hockey sense wouldn't make him a good fit in Edmonton.
You could make most of those comments about Potter and Whitney as well. As I said... I think he's an upgrade on Potter as he's also younger and could still improve AND if Whitney turns in another pylon-type season like last year Franson would be a better bottom pairing option there as well.

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01-19-2013, 12:50 PM
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Smid can actually get more than this if he tests free agency now...
Not a chance. GMs don't blow their wad on a one-dimensional d-man, no matter what the circumstances. I think you're severely overrating him.

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01-19-2013, 12:51 PM
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Smid can actually get more than this if he tests free agency now...
supply vs demand!!!

Hopefully we sign him soon....
Mr. Lowe?

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You could make most of those comments about Potter and Whitney as well. As I said... I think he's an upgrade on Potter as he's also younger and could still improve AND if Whitney turns in another pylon-type season like last year Franson would be a better bottom pairing option there as well.
Potter is a RHS, and last season, he was thrown to the wolfs, because the Oilers didn't have anyone better to do the job. If he was brought along slowing, like most rookie D, things could of been better. Franson is not a upgrade, more of a lateral move, and what the Oilers have coming up, it be a wast of space. As to Whitney, Whitney at 50% would be better then Franson any day of the week.

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I know it's been mentioned, but I'd like to bring in Ben Bishop. 2 reasons:

1) Push Dubnyk with another promising guy.

With Khabibulin on the mend and off the books after this season, we're going to have to go back-up shopping. Bishop's proved his worth in the AHL and would make an interesting backup/starting goaltender project. I'm not sold that Danis is going to be an NHL-calibre starting option and would rather roll with two potential starters in Dubnyk and Bishop.

2) Prevent Calgary from getting him.

Just to spite them... you know? Preventing them for having success can only be a boon to our own chances.

The Sens are hurting for NHL defensemen right now. If we could float them Potter/Peckham and a 4th/5th, I think we might have something.


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Not a chance. GMs don't blow their wad on a one-dimensional d-man, no matter what the circumstances. I think you're severely overrating him.
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Yes ... no one overpays for UFA ..
There will be plenty of teams looking for a solid top 4 Dman in the offseason.. A team like the ISL could offer big money especially if they are unable to resign Streit.
They have 1 Dman signed past this season.

Good luck if you think he'll sign for E.Brewer\Ohlund\Hejda money.

I guess 4.25-4.5 if he signs while undercontract
5M+ if he hits free agency.

edit: unless he craps the bed this year.

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I know it's been mentioned, but I'd like to bring in Ben Bishop. 2 reasons:

1) Push Dubnyk with another promising guy.

With Khabibulin on the mend and off the books after this season, we're going to have to go back-up shopping. Bishop's proved his worth in the AHL and would make an interesting backup/starting goaltender project. I'm not sold that Danis is going to be an NHL-calibre starting option and would rather roll with two potential starters in Dubnyk and Bishop.

2) Prevent Calgary from getting him.

Just to spite them... you know? Preventing them for having success can only be a boon to our own chances.

The Sens are hurting for NHL defensemen right now. If we could float them Potter/Peckham and a 4th/5th, I think we might have something.
I'd like to bring in Bishop so that our average goaltender size is 6 foot 6

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