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01-18-2013, 11:11 PM
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took me like 30 seconds, im sure there are a lot more
lol What does a few vids of 1 player prove? Nothing. I could post the vid of Sedin getting ragdolled by Marchand and so that would prove the Canucks are soft.

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01-18-2013, 11:12 PM
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lol What does a few vids of 1 player prove? Nothing. I could post the vid of Sedin getting ragdolled by Marchand and so that would prove the Canucks are soft.
yeah but we weren't comparing boston to vancouver, because it's obvious who is tougher. we were comparing edmonton and vancouver

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01-18-2013, 11:16 PM
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It's funny, the Sens got softer by ditching Carkner & Konopka (who they'll miss for faceoffs, too), and I think it was a terrible move. Now their only muscle is Neil. This might be fine during the regular season, but come playoffs the "New NHL" rules go out the window and it's no different than 1998. The grittier team wins in the playoffs. It's how the Ducks out-muscled the Sens in '07, and the B's out-muscled the Canucks in 2011.
I would also include Foligno as a player they lost that had some gritt. I don't know what Murray is thinking, Sens was one of my favorite team last year, they had an impressive mix of grit and skills and not only they were fun to watch but that mix helped them in the playoffs. I guess he didn't like that character or something.

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01-18-2013, 11:18 PM
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The top 9 is soft. I think Hall and Yakupov will develop into physical players but as of right now they don't have it.

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01-18-2013, 11:19 PM
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yeah but we weren't comparing boston to vancouver, because it's obvious who is tougher. we were comparing edmonton and vancouver
Both teams have d-men who can play it tough. The Oilers are just as big as the Canucks are and the Canucks skill guys aren't physical either.

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01-18-2013, 11:26 PM
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Really?

Doesn't Carolina has Tlusty in the top 6? Isn't anaheims second line a 40 year old center being flanked by Palmeiri?

What's Minnys second line? Bouchard Brodziak and Setogutchi?
Granlund, I hear he's decent.

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01-18-2013, 11:27 PM
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I wouldn't really say they're soft. They're a young team so they just lack physical maturity right now. They're going to get pushed around on some nights, and that's to be expected, but they do have some older, tougher guys to balance out the roster a bit.

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01-18-2013, 11:32 PM
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Granlund, I hear he's decent.
ahhh right, forgot about him.

Nice looking top-6 Minnesota is icing this year.

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01-18-2013, 11:37 PM
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I don't see the Canucks 2nd line exactly filling the net this year.
When Kesler and Booth are back, their top six is as good as anyone's.

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01-19-2013, 12:39 AM
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Ridiculous idea that EDM is soft, especially with players like this:

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=gDwty...%3DgDwtyd82Gnk

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01-19-2013, 01:36 AM
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You think any of the Oilers would stand there and cry to the ref while a guy punched him in the face a dozen times? lol nope.
the same oilers that whined to the media about people playing too hard on them in the AHL.

sure...

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01-19-2013, 01:50 AM
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the same oilers that whined to the media about people playing too hard on them in the AHL.

sure...
Huh?

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01-19-2013, 01:53 AM
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EDM, COL, SJ are the softest teams in the West.

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01-19-2013, 01:56 AM
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the same oilers that whined to the media about people playing too hard on them in the AHL.

sure...
You should do some more research. Hall said numerous times on the radio they were not targeted any more down there recently.

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01-19-2013, 02:05 AM
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You should do some more research. Hall said numerous times on the radio they were not targeted any more down there recently.
well I'm glad they let up now

in all seriousness, softness is not a huge concern for the oilers and I think the kids will get tougher as the continue on with their careers.

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01-19-2013, 02:17 AM
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It's not that they are soft, they do not have a very physical player in their top 6. They get out muscled and can be physically over matched.

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01-19-2013, 02:19 AM
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Surprised that Dallas hasn't come up, especially with Jamie Benn unsigned and Brenden Morrow possibly suffering a concussion.

Loui Eriksson-Derek Roy-Jaromir Jagr
Ray Whitney-Cody Eakin-Michael Ryder
Eric Nystrom-Vernon Fiddler-Reilly Smith
Colten Sceviour-Tom Wandell-Ryan Garbutt

Even if you sub AHL agitator/fighter Antoine Roussel in for Sceviour or Garbutt on the 4th, I don't see many players there, with the exception of maybe Nystrom, where you can go "That guy is definitely tougher than his counterpart on the Oilers". Eriksson doesn't play physical, nor does Ryder, nor Eakin. Derek Roy is one of the softest guys I've ever seen. Jagr and Whitney weren't physical players in their prime and are even less inclined now. Even when you toss Benn and Morrow back in there, it's not that huge of a difference.

Alex Goligoski-Trevor Daley
Stephane Robidas-Brendn Dillon
Phillip Larsen-Aaron Rome
Jordie Benn

I don't think you can make a case for them being any tougher than the Oilers D, either.

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01-19-2013, 02:22 AM
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They've got more grit than most give them credit for.

With that said, they definitely aren't a very physical team, nor do they have legitimate enforcers.

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01-19-2013, 02:38 AM
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lol What does a few vids of 1 player prove? Nothing. I could post the vid of Sedin getting ragdolled by Marchand and so that would prove the Canucks are soft.
Sedins aren't big hitters or enforcers by any stretch of the imagination but they're quietly very tough. They take a ton of beating, and continue to carry on and produce. Henrik Sedin hasn't missed a game since the last lockout and is 6 games behind Bouwmeester for the current NHL ironman streak.

They may not be "gritty" or traditionally tough, but they're far from soft.

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01-19-2013, 02:47 AM
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I don't think their top-6 is too bad. They're not tough, but they all play the game pretty tenaciously and can take a hit. I think the issue isn't that they're soft, necessarily, but that the team in general lacks toughness. Eager and Hordichuk are non-factors, and Peckham is awful. Fistric is a great addition for them, and Sutton can play pretty nasty, so their D isn't too bad. They still have a lot of youth and their bottom six isn't really intimidating anybody. If they make the playoffs, I think they'd be wise to address that at the deadline.

I don't think I'd call them softest in the league, to answer the OP. Though, that said, I don't know who I would call that. They're not tough enough to win the cup, but they've got the skilled pieces in place and ready to develop. I hope Smyth sticks around long enough to see them win it.

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01-19-2013, 05:59 AM
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So can Brian Campbell.
Yeah Brian Campbell is a solid hockey player...whats your point here...

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01-19-2013, 08:26 AM
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if hall is their toughest, they are in trouble. gotta find someone to protect the kids. especially since edmonton doesnt seem to believe in leaving the kids in juniors.

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01-19-2013, 10:22 AM
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With one of the most skilled teams in the league Edmonton seems to be lacking muscle. Will this effect them much or can they overcome with skill?
Eager, Hordichuk, Fistric and to a lesser extent, Smid. I think they will be fine.

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They are kitten soft, but to be expected from a baby face group. Maybe just used to watching their team alone or something, but Taylor Hall is not tough in any way shape or form. He has the occasional spaz a la Bure, but he doesn't scare anyone. In fact, Oilers fans love to say Bure wasn't tough and he would have mopped the floor with Hall at the same age. He doesn't shy away from contact, which is all that really matters, but he doesn't scare any one in this league.

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01-19-2013, 10:46 AM
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Top 5, maybe top 3 in softness.

No one is shaking in their boots when you see you have the Oilers to play tonight, usually its an easy 2 points without much physicality. Sure, they may skate and dangle but you know you won't be physically punished for going into corners.

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