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01-18-2013, 02:24 PM
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and on that note whats the deal with gardiner. He's too good to move for luongo but he's in every trade proposal for a player not-named-luongo. Is he really that good, he's only had one good season and you guys seem kinda two-faced about him

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01-18-2013, 02:25 PM
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if youre rebuilding why not trade kessel

or do it the old fashion way, tank till u get enough lottery picks
Because Kessel's a 25 year old who's put up 4 straight 30 goal seasons? The point of rebuilding is to acquire young talent, not ship it out.

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and on that note whats the deal with gardiner. He's too good to move for luongo but he's in every trade proposal for a player not-named-luongo. Is he really that good, he's only had one good season and you guys seem kinda two-faced about him
He's good -- and I feel like I'm the only Leafs fan who'll say it -- but he's not top pairing good. He's definitely got above average skating, vision, and passing, but he's a bit clueless in his own zone and his positioning in front of his net is brutal. That said, as a converted forward, he's only been playing defense for a few years, and only at the pro level for one year, so I guess there's room to grow. He really just needs to get his positioning down and learn to keep an active stick.

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01-18-2013, 02:26 PM
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Why the hell would any team do any of these trades? And CanuckCity, he is offered as the main centerpeice for a big value guy, but less not argue how Luongo has bad value, as this isn't a Luongo thread.

Why trade Gardiner when you are trying to rebuild also?

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01-18-2013, 02:27 PM
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Because Kessel's a 25 year old who's put up 4 straight 30 goal seasons? The point of rebuilding is to acquire young talent, not ship it out.
Well, we're trading Gardiner so we might as well trade our other young promising, talented now player.

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01-18-2013, 02:36 PM
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and on that note whats the deal with gardiner. He's too good to move for luongo but he's in every trade proposal for a player not-named-luongo. Is he really that good, he's only had one good season and you guys seem kinda two-faced about him
Leafs have tons of young, promising PMDs and a lot of fans want to move one (usually Gardiner) for an upgrade in another position.

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NExt sentence.

LEts leave reality.

Nice reading skils homeboy.
Dirt-poor logic on your part though. You cannot expect people to be realistic about A and then ask them not to be realistic about B, when they are intrinsically tied.

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01-18-2013, 02:43 PM
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Lets be realistic. With out a completely lucky start. The Leafs not making the playoffs.
Now let's leave reality behind.

HEre's a quick rebuild for y'all:

Phaneuf ---> EDM 2013 1st
{Gunner + 4th -----> PIT 2013 1st}
{Komi + retained salary-----> PIT 2nd (deadline)}
Brown + MacArthur + Kulemin + Gardiner -----> Skinner + CAR 2013 1st
Grabo + retained salary ----> CLB (LAK) 2013 1st

DRaft 2013:
LAK 1st(28th) + CAR 1st(24th) + PIT 2nd(60th) ---------> 10th overall
PIT 1st (30th) + EDM 1st(18th) + TOR 3rd (61st)------------> 8th Overall

8th overall + 10th overall -----------> 3rd overall(CLB)

3rd overall + TOR 2nd(31st) ------------>1st/2nd overall.


There.


Skinner, Jones AND MacKinnon.

Rebuilt and ready to go.

BEautiful!
Nope. Edmonton does not take Phaneuf for free.

Thanks but no thanks.

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01-18-2013, 02:45 PM
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The only thing that could make OP's proposal any more unrealistic is if it somehow involved a time machine and Wayne Gretzky.
well if it did Gretzky would be clearly going to the leafs to make these trades fair.

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01-18-2013, 02:50 PM
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Brown + MacArthur + Kulemin + Gardiner -----> Skinner + CAR 2013 1st
Congratulations! I'm going to nominate this for the Canes Boards annual Roszival+Dubinsky+2nd award.

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01-18-2013, 03:15 PM
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The leafs will probably be getting mackinnon or jones so id just rather ride the season out.

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01-18-2013, 03:20 PM
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I don't even know what to say about this one...

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01-18-2013, 03:23 PM
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Nope. Edmonton does not take Phaneuf for free.
Undoubtedly there would be worries about the cap hit if no salary is going back, but he'd be pretty useful on the blueline regardless.

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01-18-2013, 05:42 PM
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Does anyone know what team had the most #1s in a single draft?

Based on this proposal you would have 6 #1s....given them rebuilding and this is a deep drift Id think they just keep all 6 1st rounders.

That said......


The only one I could see happening would be the Edmonton deal for Phaenuff...but only if Edmonton felt they would make the playoffs and thus it likely be high teens/low 20s. This trade would not happen if they felt they would have a top 10 pick next year.

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01-18-2013, 05:46 PM
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These are all pretty slanted heavily in the leafs favour. Some are fleecings.
I'm kind of shocked, myself.

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01-18-2013, 05:47 PM
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Let me kill this even more than everyone already has. No from Pit on both trades. We have no use for wither of those players.

We will give you a 2nd and a mid level d or o prospect for Kulemin tho.
I'd give Tangradi, Harrington, and a 2nd (in what will be a really, really deep draft) for him.

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Well they've been royally screwing up the rebuild by trying to accelerate it... and they've set themselves back because of it. The Kessel trade is a perfect example of how. I like Kessel. If he was the final piece that the Leafs needed to make a deep playoff run, it'd have been a good trade. Instead they basically traded 2 top 5 picks for one. That set them back exactly one year.

Toronto needs what Toronto ownership has never been able to tolerate. They need to be complete trash for a few years. And that doesn't mean just losing (which is what they've been doing), but it means having almost zero high profile players on the team. The team needs to just accept that it needs to be completely broken for a while. That's the only thing that's going to restock the system. The Oilers, Isles and Penguins are all pretty good examples of teams rebuilding the right way, though they're in different stages and have varying degrees of success. This is the way it's supposed to be done. You don't keep a **** team, but also have 4 or 5 star players on it who are ~30 years old.

If they were a small market team they could do that....basically gut the team and then rebuild.

Being in toronto this is next to impossible.

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01-18-2013, 10:47 PM
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Undoubtedly there would be worries about the cap hit if no salary is going back, but he'd be pretty useful on the blueline regardless.
That's aside, Edmonton would not want Phaneuf in their locker room. No thanks.

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That's aside, Edmonton would not want Phaneuf in their locker room. No thanks.
Don't need a captain material player?

Oh yeah , you got Horcoff

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Lets be realistic. With out a completely lucky start. The Leafs not making the playoffs.
Now let's leave reality behind.

HEre's a quick rebuild for y'all:

Phaneuf ---> EDM 2013 1st
{Gunner + 4th -----> PIT 2013 1st}
{Komi + retained salary-----> PIT 2nd (deadline)}
Brown + MacArthur + Kulemin + Gardiner -----> Skinner + CAR 2013 1st
Grabo + retained salary ----> CLB (LAK) 2013 1st

DRaft 2013:
LAK 1st(28th) + CAR 1st(24th) + PIT 2nd(60th) ---------> 10th overall
PIT 1st (30th) + EDM 1st(18th) + TOR 3rd (61st)------------> 8th Overall

8th overall + 10th overall -----------> 3rd overall(CLB)

3rd overall + TOR 2nd(31st) ------------>1st/2nd overall.


There.


Skinner, Jones AND MacKinnon.

Rebuilt and ready to go.

BEautiful!
What is their roster after that?

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Don't need a captain material player?

Oh yeah , you got Horcoff
Ok champ, how about you listen to the interview of Bill Watters by Bob Stauffer, Jan 11

http://www.630ched.com/Podcasts/Episodes.aspx?PID=2254

Yeah, want nothing to do with Phaneuf,.........zilch....zero.

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01-18-2013, 11:03 PM
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Lets be realistic.

...

Brown + MacArthur + Kulemin + Gardiner -----> Skinner + CAR 2013 1st



well that realism ended quickly
that might one of the worst proposals ive ever seen

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Not to mention that there are still allot of question marks with the Leafs that didn't get mentioned. I mean aren't Lupul and MacA ufa's at the end of this season? (thought I read they were) Until they are signed and after losing/moving Lombardi and Connolly (trade and I am not certain if Connolly passed waivers or got picked up but either way...) it seems to me like Nonis is going to go with as close of a youth movement as he can get away with which I think will be the fastest way to complete an actual rebuild to return the Leafs to being a contender.

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Ok champ, how about you listen to the interview of Bill Watters by Bob Stauffer, Jan 11

http://www.630ched.com/Podcasts/Episodes.aspx?PID=2254

Yeah, want nothing to do with Phaneuf,.........zilch....zero.
Phaneuf is from Edmonton. When Oilers fans want no part of a home town boy, there must be pretty good reasons for it.

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I'd take a flyer out on Kulemin, depending on who we have left at the deadline (injuries or other trades).

Maybe Gunnar too, if there are soft spots on our D, even with Ballard, Tanev, K-Conn, Alberts, Barker and Vandemeer fighting for 2 roster spots.

Asking prices for each?

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01-19-2013, 02:14 AM
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Lol for the sake of things, lets just assume all of these trades went down as ridiculous as it is, for fun. Who in the hell would be playing for Toronto? Thats 8 roster players right there lol, just all of a sudden 8 huge holes to fill?

They might challenge for worst record of all time if Kessel got hurt hahahaha

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