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01-19-2013, 04:44 AM
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Yes, Luongo helps many teams in the short run....but CRIPPLES their salary cap in the long run. He'd be worth a heck of alot more if he only had short term contract left.

Holding on to him might be the right move right now....but unless they lower their demands....I can see you buying him out in 2014. Unless you want to cripple your own cap in the future.

I hope Toronto doesn't make the playoffs this year....it's a deep draft. Hopefully Burke was let go to prevent him from going after Luongo to save his job.
Actually it helps in the long run. Stable cap hit.

If people think they will get a stellar tender for 4 million at age 27 and that tender will sign 4 million again in 4 years or whenever the contract is up are dreaming.

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01-19-2013, 05:06 AM
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Canucks 13/14 Cap:

With the Elder signing -> - 60,403,333 - 13 players - 3,596,667 remaining to sign nine players.
With a Ballard buyout -> 56,203,333 - 12 players - 8,096,667 remaining to sign ten players.

Good luck Gillis.

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01-19-2013, 05:43 AM
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Canucks 13/14 Cap:

With the Elder signing -> - 60,403,333 - 13 players - 3,596,667 remaining to sign nine players.
With a Ballard buyout -> 56,203,333 - 12 players - 8,096,667 remaining to sign ten players.

Good luck Gillis.


Should be around 51 million when Luongo gets traded to FLA.

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01-19-2013, 05:48 AM
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Should be around 51 million when Luongo gets traded to FLA.
If Gillis finally decides to give him away.

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If Gillis finally decides to give him away.


He's going to be _traded_, not given away.


To address your point though, the potential cap problems you are proposing are misleading at best. This situation will be well resolved before the cap ever becomes an issue.

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01-19-2013, 06:43 AM
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Should be around 51 million when Luongo gets traded to FLA.

Once the Nucks get to the off season assuming that Schneider remains the starter, Lou will be a 34 year old, back up being paid $6.7 million for the next six seasons to ride the pines before his contract dwindles off over the next three seasons. His trade value at that point is highly doubtful.

You are dreaming if you think that Tallon is going to bailout Gillis? You are dreaming and on drugs, if you think that Tallon is going to bail out Gillis without the Nucks retaining a lot of salary and/or taking back a bad contract.

BTW As a former agent, except for the Lou contract, Gillis has done a good job resigning existing talent. His record trading with Tallon has favored the Nucks in the short term and the Cats in the longer term, which makes sense given that the Nucks were and are cup contenders and the Cats rebuilders.

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01-19-2013, 06:49 AM
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so what are the most recent Luongo rumors? I haven't really been following and there just seems to be a lot of bickering to dig through to find them.

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01-19-2013, 06:56 AM
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Once the Nucks get to the off season assuming that Schneider remains the starter, Lou will be a 34 year old, back up being paid $6.7 million for the next six seasons to ride the pines before his contract dwindles off over the next three seasons. His trade value at that point is highly doubtful.

You are dreaming if you think that Tallon is going to bailout Gillis? You are dreaming and on drugs, if you think that Tallon is going to bail out Gillis without the Nucks retaining a lot of salary and/or taking back a bad contract.

BTW As a former agent, except for the Lou contract, Gillis has done a good job resigning existing talent. His record trading with Tallon has favored the Nucks in the short term and the Cats in the longer term, which makes sense given that the Nucks were and are cup contenders and the Cats rebuilders.


Four to five months is not going to plummet Luongo's value, despite the narrative.


Maybe they do take a buyout contract back? I'm not ruling it out.


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01-19-2013, 07:00 AM
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2) Holmgren seemed fine trading 2 players signed to similar contracts. Theres been plenty of reported interest, obviously the contract isn't the hindrance you make it out to be .
Two 26 yr old centers signed til their mid 30's are on similar contracts to a 34 year goaltender signed until he is in his early 40's? That's similar situation to you?

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01-19-2013, 07:01 AM
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so what are the most recent Luongo rumors? I haven't really been following and there just seems to be a lot of bickering to dig through to find them.
Seems like things have died down for now. The Leafs are out unless we can him for free pretty much. This is going to go well into the season and at this point it would be smart if Vancouver just kept it throughout the year and see where they go in the playoffs. It's good depth to have right now but they're going to have to figure something out in the summer.

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01-19-2013, 07:04 AM
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Should be around 51 million when Luongo gets traded to FLA.
Funny how Nuck fans just assume Fla will be there to take on that contract. Is there even a slight chance that Markstrom proves himself capable of being a quality NHL goalie over the course of this year? For example, if the Nucks have a promising goalie in Schneider, would you make a trade with Florida to bring in Luongo to compete with him for the job?

If Markstrom plays well there is no market in Fla for Lu.

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01-19-2013, 07:13 AM
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Seems like things have died down for now. The Leafs are out unless we can him for free pretty much. This is going to go well into the season and at this point it would be smart if Vancouver just kept it throughout the year and see where they go in the playoffs. It's good depth to have right now but they're going to have to figure something out in the summer.
Thanks.

I think waiting could have benefits for the Canucks as well. If they give Schneider the bulk of the load, after a season of player 10 or so games Luongo would be more likely to accept a deal to a less desirable organization I think.

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01-19-2013, 07:18 AM
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Funny how Nuck fans just assume Fla will be there to take on that contract. Is there even a slight chance that Markstrom proves himself capable of being a quality NHL goalie over the course of this year? For example, if the Nucks have a promising goalie in Schneider, would you make a trade with Florida to bring in Luongo to compete with him for the job?

If Markstrom plays well there is no market in Fla for Lu.


The assumption is that he ends up in FLA. However, if push comes to shove and Gillis can't get a bare minimum package (acceptable to him) from FLA, then Luongo will have to expand his wish list to near any team. That's when FLA won't matter anymore. But as of right now, Luongo and Gillis are going to do what they can to get him to FLA because they have the time to see.


It's not set in stone though. Saying that, with the way TOR is choosing to play this, it's unlikely he ever ends up there, even as a remote possibility.

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01-19-2013, 07:19 AM
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Funny how Nuck fans just assume Fla will be there to take on that contract. Is there even a slight chance that Markstrom proves himself capable of being a quality NHL goalie over the course of this year? For example, if the Nucks have a promising goalie in Schneider, would you make a trade with Florida to bring in Luongo to compete with him for the job?

If Markstrom plays well there is no market in Fla for Lu.
It's Florida that's mentioned because he wants to go there. If they don't want him there will be lot's of other teams who would take an elite goalie if the price drops substantially as people seem to believe.

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01-19-2013, 07:35 AM
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It's Florida that's mentioned because he wants to go there. If they don't want him there will be lot's of other teams who would take an elite goalie if the price drops substantially as people seem to believe.
Agreed. But at what price will be the interesting part. Over the course of the season some team will run into goalie problems (either by injury or bad play). Time will tell.

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01-19-2013, 08:16 AM
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Actually it helps in the long run. Stable cap hit.

If people think they will get a stellar tender for 4 million at age 27 and that tender will sign 4 million again in 4 years or whenever the contract is up are dreaming.
Luongo will play for 5 more years at the age of 39 he will be done. Wherever he ends up the team will have to pay him and keep his cap hit for another 10 years. Extremely shortsighted by any GM that takes him. Canucks should just keep him now. Great backup for Schneider.

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01-19-2013, 08:21 AM
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The cap hit remains even if he retires right? That was changed in the new CBA correct, right?

I don't think many teams can deal with that.

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01-19-2013, 08:28 AM
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Luongo will play for 5 more years at the age of 39 he will be done. Wherever he ends up the team will have to pay him and keep his cap hit for another 10 years. Extremely shortsighted by any GM that takes him. Canucks should just keep him now. Great backup for Schneider.
Good three or four years as a starter easily. Based on current tenders who are much older.

A tender of his caliber will easily have three or four years as a good backup after that.

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The cap hit remains even if he retires right? That was changed in the new CBA correct, right?

I don't think many teams can deal with that.
When he retires the team has to payback all the savings his cap circumventing contract created. He definititely won't play the last 3 years, and the team that signs him has to hope he is still a 5.3 million dollar goalie when he's 40. Too much risk and expense that far ahead. Now if Luongo was 25 and not 34 this April. His contract would be fine.

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Good three or four years as a starter easily. Based on current tenders who are much older.

A tender of his caliber will easily have three or four years as a good backup after that.
So why take such a risk for 4 years of solid goaltending? Long term retirement contracts seldom workout. We have seen plenty of them.

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01-19-2013, 08:44 AM
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I find it hilarious that Gillis gets defended yet Howsen got trashed for this same situation

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01-19-2013, 08:46 AM
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So why take such a risk for 4 years of solid goaltending? Long term retirement contracts seldom workout. We have seen plenty of them.
Which ones havent worked out?

As for four years that probably the minimum. Considering where luongo is in his play (despite the trolls insistence he crap) he had to fall awfully far very quickly to be an average starter much less relegated to backup status.

As a backup hed be head and shoulders above what most teams have as a back up which would be perfect for a team with a young tender starter off in the starters role.

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Actually it helps in the long run. Stable cap hit.

If people think they will get a stellar tender for 4 million at age 27 and that tender will sign 4 million again in 4 years or whenever the contract is up are dreaming.
so much changes in 4 years. Having a mid-30's guy with a decade left is just far too long. That stable cap hit can look very bad in a few years.

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Another way to look at Luongo's value. If he was a UFA this summer. How many teams would offer the 34 year old goalie a 9 year 50 million dollar contract? My guess is none, and that wouldn't cost the team any player assets.
(Yes I realize nine year contracts are not allowed but you know what I mean)

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Teams like Florida like contracts where the cap hit is higher than the actual salary. Luongo's salary is higher than his cap hit for the net 6 years. From a financial point of view, it makes no sense for Florida. And that's without mentioning Markstrom which makes it make even less sense.

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