Yeah we're really soft, especially our fwd group, but then again we're not exactly in win now mode and I personally believe we can PP ourselves to 9th-11th in the west which is fine by me at this stage.
Who cares? The Oilers success is not predicated on how "tough" they are, at least in the manner referred to by the op and many other posts. If the NHL cracks down on clutch and grab interference and keeps doling out suspensions and penalties for unnecessary crap, it's going to matter even less.
As an Oil fan I'd have to agree we are one of the softest, but I don't think we take it running away. DET, FLA, TOR, MTL all enter the debate in my opinion. I'm not overly worried about it, as what we lack in grit we make up forin skill and a lethal PP. If this season is anything like the last time we came out of a lockout, I expect to see a lot more penalties called. I also expect our PP to be the best in the league. Should mean we are a playoff contender at the deadline where we can trade for some sandpaper.
There seems to be an issue with the word soft. I consider a soft team one that can't physically handle themselves, or won't.
Edmonton is not THAT team. Even one of their least physical defensemen, Nick Schultz has a few career fights. No, he won't be taking on any heavyweights, but when the need arises, he and guys like him are not afraid to get physical.
But why would they choose to play that game? That would be stupid. They are built for speed and offense.
I think sometimes we can get a little wrapped up in the wording. Just because you don't have a psycho in your top 6 doesn't make you soft. The league is filled with last place teams that have employed so-called tough guys in their top 6 forwards.
There's a big divide between their skill guys and their tough guys, but they have enough of both to make it work if the chemistry's good. Hall is probably the guy bridges the gap the best, he's a big strong dude, can run guys right over.
Yeah Brian Campbell is a solid hockey player...whats your point here...
I thought the point was clear. Having Brian Campbell on your team wouldn't be an argument for being tougher. Just because a player can take hits, and occasionally dishes them out, doesn't make them a "tough" player. It just makes them a hockey player. Hall definitely isn't a soft player, but he isn't an argument for Edmonton not being soft either.
Toronto is built well this year, but there aren't any fighters outside of Orr, Fraser and Brown. Sure, Komarov, Holzer, Phaneuf, McClement, Kulemin, Komisarek and Steckel play physically, but very few teams will be scared to play the Leafs. We're probably middle of the pack when it comes to softness this year.
Soft to me is have players who do not engage physically at all. Don't like going into corners, can't take a hit, etc.
I don't see Edmontons players fitting that mold. There are a lot of lineups you look at and the teams look soft as hell. You have to see how the players play though.
I agree with this, and it's why I wouldn't call Hall or Hemsky soft. Hemsky is a nutcase, he is always willing to take a hit to make a pass. Hall, is getting a lot tougher as time goes by, hell he dropped the gloves with an AHL goon earlier this year.
The bottom 6 isn't bad, Hartikainin, Eager, and Hordi are all pretty tough guys, and on our defense, Fistric and Peckham are tough as nails, and well, Smid can get some nasty streaks in him as well.