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1. Wang has bought out a larger contract then DiPietro's, when he bought out Yashin. He's also bought out Bates and Witt. So, Wang is willing to buyout contracts.
2. Sources close to the isles, Staples and Botta, both say Wang has no interest in buying out DiPietro.
I wonder if this is this because of their personel friendship or are the isles hoping he'll retire and insurance will pay DiPietro for them?
3. DiPietro's buyout would be $1.5m per. Very affordable if Wang goes that route.
4.Just because Leaf fans feel burned losing out on Seguin/Hamiliton, doesn't mean some draft lottery team will be trading away a potential studto Toronto.
So 24 million to a cash strapped team in 2014' for a first rounder is the worst trade proposal ever? I think people forget hockey is a business.
And Toronto lost out on Seguin/Hamilton for a superstar player who was 21.
And again, Wang buying-out Yashin years ago proves what?
Lol I haven't put one on here in 3 months because of the people on this site there is a RARE and it's very rare where people like YOU say that's not a bad trade ... By then people like YOU don't back up why it's bad and it's not like you put a proposal on here for people to criticize... so mind your own bussiness.
It is perhaps worth noting that a lot of folks on here who appear to do nothing but criticize don't do their own proposals because they're quite aware that trades are not as simple as they seem, and there's lots of circumstances and nuances that go into making them successful, and it's difficult to get that information from the outside. So proposals do get made, but they're few and far between.
And even with that in mind, sometimes embarrassing mistakes are made regardless. like that one time I had a proposal to take Dan Girardi for cap space...
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The hype that surrounds Leafs D does not match reality. Doug McLean called it the worst in the east. I'd be very nervous trading for a d man from the leafs.
While I don't exactly think of the Leafs blueline as being particularly badass, citing Doug MacLean does not help your argument at all.
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I don't know how anyone can call it 15th in the East. That's ridiculous. Not even close.
Objectively. The only team worse than them was Tampa Bay. That's not to say 100% of the blame lies on the individual players. Realistically, last year, the Leafs D in terms of talent level was probably better than or comparable to the Lighting, Islanders, Jets, Hurricanes, Caps, Sabres, Panthers and Habs.
Lol I haven't put one on here in 3 months because of the people on this site there is a RARE and it's very rare where people like YOU say that's not a bad trade ... By then people like YOU don't back up why it's bad and it's not like you put a proposal on here for people to criticize... so mind your own bussiness.
I don't know how anyone can call it 15th in the East. That's ridiculous. Not even close.
Er. It's actually pretty shockingly close. Phaneuf may not be the superstar folks thought but is still significantly better than his detractors insist, and Gunnarsson is solid, but beyond that there's no substantive depth (unless Liles rebounds, and even then that's kind of dubious). The only other real competitor I see for worst in the East would be the Islanders, and I imagine they'd be ranked ahead because their kids have more experience and there's more of 'em.
Objectively. The only team worse than them was Tampa Bay. That's not to say 100% of the blame lies on the individual players. Realistically, last year, the Leafs D in terms of talent level was probably better than or comparable to the Lighting, Islanders, Jets, Hurricanes, Caps, Sabres, Panthers and Habs.
Lightning? Yep. Probably. But they've worked on that.
Islanders? See above.
Jets? Don't be absurd. The Jets have an extremely skilled blueline.
Hurricanes? Nobody who reaches the same ceiling as Phaneuf, but far, far more guys to fill out the rest of the roster.
Sabres? That's failure to gel and execute, not lack of talent.
Panthers? You might be able to make a case for them this year in terms of available talent. They seem to gel very well, though. Would love to see if that continues.
Habs? Disagree. Markov's persistent injuries doesn't help, but they've still got more NHL depth. Not much more, but it's there.
In which world is Phaneuf worth a potential top-3 pick?
I'll answer the question: in no world.
Totally agree, this draft has some great defensemen and some great candidates for the #2C spot in Edmonton, no way do we give up that pick for Phaneuf.
Personally I don't think we get a top 10 pick but this draft is deep, we will still get a really good player.
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I don't know how anyone can call it 15th in the East. That's ridiculous. Not even close.
I will always respect someone's right to an opinion.
Lightning? Yep. Probably. But they've worked on that.
Islanders? See above.
Jets? Don't be absurd. The Jets have an extremely skilled blueline.
Hurricanes? Nobody who reaches the same ceiling as Phaneuf, but far, far more guys to fill out the rest of the roster.
Sabres? That's failure to gel and execute, not lack of talent.
Panthers? You might be able to make a case for them this year in terms of available talent. They seem to gel very well, though. Would love to see if that continues.
Habs? Disagree. Markov's persistent injuries doesn't help, but they've still got more NHL depth. Not much more, but it's there.
Jets? So did the Leafs.
Hurricanes? The Leafs had plenty of depth last year.
Sabres? The Leafs failures came from just as much a failure to gel and execute as it did talent.
Panthers? They gelled very well last year, the Leafs didn't.
Habs? Markov couldn't reasonably be expected to play a lot of games anyways.
Remember... the Leafs had Schenn last year. With him and all others playing as they're capable of, that's a much better blueline. The only guys who didn't underachieve last year, were Gunarsson and Gardiner, and that's not going to be enough.
Phaneuf...Gunnarsson...Liles...Gardiner...Komisare k...Schenn...Franson.
This year, it's an obvious weakness. Liles & Gardiner are coming off concussions. Komisarek has further distanced himself from solid play. Schenn is gone.
Er. It's actually pretty shockingly close. Phaneuf may not be the superstar folks thought but is still significantly better than his detractors insist, and Gunnarsson is solid, but beyond that there's no substantive depth (unless Liles rebounds, and even then that's kind of dubious). The only other real competitor I see for worst in the East would be the Islanders, and I imagine they'd be ranked ahead because their kids have more experience and there's more of 'em.
The Flyers and Lightning defense does not look good at all. Same with Carolina. and Pittsburgh has terrible depth on D.
And what about Jake Gardiner and Cody Franson?
Objectively. The only team worse than them was Tampa Bay. That's not to say 100% of the blame lies on the individual players. Realistically, last year, the Leafs D in terms of talent level was probably better than or comparable to the Lighting, Islanders, Jets, Hurricanes, Caps, Sabres, Panthers and Habs.
The Flyers and Lightning defense does not look good at all.
The Flyers could be screwed with another injury. They're still ahead. Barely.
The Lightning aren't great, but they're at least deeper.
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Same with Carolina.
Um. No. Corvo is pretty much the only weak spot on that blueline.
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and Pittsburgh has terrible depth on D.
Pittsburgh's D is more shallow than usual, true, but they've still got four solid NHLers on there. (Sort of. Niskanen manages to be solid over there, and I still have no idea how that's possible but he does it.)
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And what about Jake Gardiner...
Even ignoring the concussion, he's not exactly ready to carry the second pairing. Or any pairing. He'll probably be there someday soon, though - maybe even next year.
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... and Cody Franson?
Don't make me laugh. Franson is one of those guys who flourishes if you put him in just the right scenario; otherwise he just falls apart. He'd be one of those AHL lifer types, except he's actually very useful on an NHL power play. He's not someone you cite as a significant blueline asset.
Remember... the Leafs had Schenn last year. With him and all others playing as they're capable of, that's a much better blueline. The only guys who didn't underachieve last year, were Gunarsson and Gardiner, and that's not going to be enough.
Phaneuf...Gunnarsson...Liles...Gardiner...Komisare k...Schenn...Franson.
While that's arguably true, it's also true for the bulk of the teams cited. And you're not about to convince me that, say, there was more talent on the Leafs blueline than the Jets "assuming all goes well". That's why folks measure these things by depth, not by raw talent. Phaneuf is legitimately good - like I said earlier, he's not the All-Star folks assumed he would be but is still much better than his detractors insist - but he's only one guy.
Heck, "assuming all goes well" the Jackets had a killer blueline last year. What we ended up with (thanks to injuries, underperformance, injuries, anticipations based on peak years, and more injuries) was one very good quality top pairing (Tyutin-Nikitin) backed by what ended up amounting to a bunch of AHLers, nobodies, and unready kids with a shaky young goaltender behind them. Hey, wait a sec, doesn't that sound familiar?
This year trade MacArthur, Lupul and Grabovski. All should fetch a first
Lupul-should fetch a first from almost any *playoff team
Grabovski- Blackhawks
MacArthur- Kings (at least they offered a 1st for him last year). If not loktionov + pick
Then buy out komisarek
Next year if kessel doesnt want to resign, trade him. For kessel, Im going to want a young C a la duchene.
With all the capsapce though, I would go all out in FA.
And then depending on the quality of the team that year, I would or wouldnt trade off phaneuf at the deadline
So 24 million to a cash strapped team in 2014' for a first rounder is the worst trade proposal ever? I think people forget hockey is a business.
And Toronto lost out on Seguin/Hamilton for a superstar player who was 21.
And again, Wang buying-out Yashin years ago proves what?
Since the 2009 sublease amendment, Wang's claiming losses of $4m-$8m a yr, intead of up to $20m a yr. He and Ratner are working to get the isles out of Nassau Coliseum and into Barcaly's early.
Wang buying-out Yashin, Bates and Witt proves that Wang is willing to buyout players. $1.5m per is very doable for Wang.
You proposed your ' the leafs use their deep pockets, to buy picks' proposal, a few day ago. Since then we've seen the Leafs swing Lombardi deal. A deal where the Leafs are paying a large chunk of Lombardi's remaining $1.9m salary and are getting a whopping 4th rounder out of it.
Those are the type of salary influenced trades, I expect we'll see.
All of our best players are under 30, why do we need to go with a youth rebuild?
The real question is: Are the current top players worth building around? No
Kessel - complementary first liner.
Phaneuf - should be a #3 playing 21-22min/night.
Lupul - Excellent #2
JVR - Solid #2
Grabovski - Solid #2 or perfect #3 on a team with elite (or similar) #1 and #2 centers
Kadri - #2
Gardiner - Offensively a #2, defensively (at the moment) a #4.
The rest aren't worth mentioning. Once Kessel, Phaneuf and Lupul approach free agency trade them for younger pieces instead of draft picks. The difference now is Nonis isn't starting from scratch. Solid scouting is in place, patient GM and the development system is excellent.
That's failure to gel and execute, not lack of talent.
Franson is one of those guys who flourishes if you put him in just the right scenario; otherwise he just falls apart. He'd be one of those AHL lifer types, except he's actually very useful on an NHL power play. He's not someone you cite as a significant blueline asset.
