HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

P.K. Subban Thread - Mk III - Unsigned Edition

View Poll Results: Who should break first
Bergevin 61 25.00%
Subban 183 75.00%
Voters: 244. You may not vote on this poll

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
01-19-2013, 12:26 PM
  #826
One Man Rock Band
Slater's Gonna Slate
 
One Man Rock Band's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Habville
Country: Canada
Posts: 44,612
vCash: 500
Realistically, what could Subban net us? If Subban + something small could net us an Eberle, I'm 110% in.

One Man Rock Band is online now  
Old
01-19-2013, 12:30 PM
  #827
E = CH²
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Country: Sri Lanka
Posts: 16,613
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MathMan View Post
I'm just hoping Bergevin isn't holding out on Subban because of "character issues". That'd just be repeating Gainey/Gauthier's mistakes, except minus the experience.
My gut feeling is that he talked to Gionta, Gorges to get a feel of how PK is in the dressing room and now he doesn't want to commit long term to him. I also agree that it's a mistake.

Quote:
It's too early to judge definitely but I've not been terribly impressed with Bergevin so far.
I thought he got the worst of all worlds in the Price deal. I don't think Price had proven he deserved to be 0.5M away from best paid goalie in the league. Especially on a long term deal. If you sign a long term deal the team should get some sort of discount. The team provides security, the players concedes a little. If we truly believe Price is elite and will only be more consistent with age, then should have added 1-2 years to that deal and gotten a discount like most long term deals.

Prust was a guy that will be useful to the habs but 2.5M for 4 years ? Ridiculous. Dime a dozen really. No need to overpay for guys like that IMO. I didn't mind because the cap kept going up and was already at 70M but with the cap going down, I feel this is the kind of move that add up to problems in the long run.

Bouillon is on the downswing of his career and we already had Diaz, Weber, Emelin... all of whom I would have wanted to give another chance to but I can't see how we will have room for them with Subban signed. At least try to up their value before a trade. I can only assume they signed Bouillon to give him a spot in the top 6 and not have him be the 7th guy. I don't think that's smart.

I was worried when Bergevin snapped at a journalist during the press conference about him not being aware of the possibility of trading cap space in the next CBA. This is worrying to me that the GM of the habs isn't aware of the things going on behind the scene.

And now this silliness with Subban.

But I love the Pacioretty extension. That's a great deal for us, we signed him on the cheap IMO. Was quite the steal.

I also loved the J.J. Daigneault hire.

Not the biggest fan of Therrien but truth be told he was probably the best candidate. Bergevin had no options here.

I will withhold judgement for now but so far I'm with you. Not terribly impressed.

E = CH² is online now  
Old
01-19-2013, 12:34 PM
  #828
sheed36
Registered User
 
sheed36's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Country: Canada
Posts: 19,281
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkeyeCB View Post
Realistically, what could Subban net us? If Subban + something small could net us an Eberle, I'm 110% in.
I guess it depends on who you ask.. Not that fans opinions mean much in such things but I've seen many Oiler fans say they wouldn't trade any of their "big" four for Subban. However me being a Habs fan I wouldn't settle for anything but one of the "big" 4 Oiler fans wouldn't part with.

sheed36 is offline  
Old
01-19-2013, 12:40 PM
  #829
One Man Rock Band
Slater's Gonna Slate
 
One Man Rock Band's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Habville
Country: Canada
Posts: 44,612
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by sheed36 View Post
I guess it depends on who you ask.. Not that fans opinions mean much in such things but I've seen many Oiler fans say they wouldn't trade any of their "big" four for Subban. However me being a Habs fan I wouldn't settle for anything but one of the "big" 4 Oiler fans wouldn't part with.
Oiler fans are in love with them - and rightfully so. But I have a feeling for a guy like Subban, they consider. We could also toss in Weber (whom Kreuger has coached previously).

Weber + Subban for Eberle. I wonder if Edmonton would bite.

One Man Rock Band is online now  
Old
01-19-2013, 12:43 PM
  #830
Teufelsdreck
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 14,450
vCash: 500
Subban is an RFA. He's bound to the Habs until he becomes eligible for free agency. Maybe he doesn't want to sign for 8 years and miss out on the expected bonanza when he's eligible to become an UFA in a couple of years. Bergevin isn't blind to Subban's (and Meehan's) intentions. No one has tended an offer sheet but I wouldn't be surprised if some GMs have privately proposed trades to Bergevin.

Teufelsdreck is offline  
Old
01-19-2013, 12:45 PM
  #831
E = CH²
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Country: Sri Lanka
Posts: 16,613
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkeyeCB View Post
Oiler fans are in love with them - and rightfully so. But I have a feeling for a guy like Subban, they consider. We could also toss in Weber (whom Kreuger has coached previously).

Weber + Subban for Eberle. I wonder if Edmonton would bite.
Eberle
Galchenyuk
Plekanec
Desharnais
Eller

Trading a stud young dmen for a center is a bad move for the habs. We don't need more centers, we actually need to trade centers.

E = CH² is online now  
Old
01-19-2013, 12:46 PM
  #832
Habaddict
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 835
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Teufelsdreck View Post
Subban is an RFA. He's bound to the Habs until he becomes eligible for free agency. Maybe he doesn't want to sign for 8 years and miss out on the expected bonanza when he's eligible to become an UFA in a couple of years. Bergevin isn't blind to Subban's (and Meehan's) intentions. No one has tended an offer sheet but I wouldn't be surprised if some GMs have privately proposed trades to Bergevin.
Are offer sheets public? In the past, I only remember them being publicized
when a player accepts one.
If so, he may have received offers that we haven't heard of.


Last edited by Habaddict: 01-19-2013 at 01:07 PM.
Habaddict is offline  
Old
01-19-2013, 12:48 PM
  #833
Alexdaman
Registered User
 
Alexdaman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Pominville, Qc
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,700
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkeyeCB View Post
Realistically, what could Subban net us? If Subban + something small could net us an Eberle, I'm 110% in.
Can't trade a guy who has not signed a contract yet. And there's no chance we could get Eberle if we did.

Alexdaman is offline  
Old
01-19-2013, 12:49 PM
  #834
Mario Lemieux fan 66
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 568
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by E = CH² View Post
Eberle
Galchenyuk
Plekanec
Desharnais
Eller

Trading a stud young dmen for a center is a bad move for the habs. We don't need more centers, we actually need to trade centers.
If the Habs trade Subban for Eberle, they could continue and trade Plekanec for a dmen like Yandle.

Mario Lemieux fan 66 is offline  
Old
01-19-2013, 12:50 PM
  #835
JHabs61
Registered User
 
JHabs61's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 967
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by E = CH² View Post
Eberle
Galchenyuk
Plekanec
Desharnais
Eller

Trading a stud young dmen for a center is a bad move for the habs. We don't need more centers, we actually need to trade centers.
Eberle plays wing in Edmonton.

If Subban doesn't sign soon, I wouldn't mind trading him. If both sides aren't going to budge why not put him to use(in fetching us assets)

JHabs61 is offline  
Old
01-19-2013, 12:50 PM
  #836
Habaddict
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 835
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexdaman View Post
Can't trade a guy who has not signed a contract yet. And there's no chance we could get Eberle if we did.
Of course you can.
But I'm not suggesting that we do.

Habaddict is offline  
Old
01-19-2013, 12:51 PM
  #837
E = CH²
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Country: Sri Lanka
Posts: 16,613
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexdaman View Post
Can't trade a guy who has not signed a contract yet. And there's no chance we could get Eberle if we did.
Pretty sure that's false and that we can trade the rights to Subban. Unless it's a new thing in the CBA. In which case nevermind me.

E = CH² is online now  
Old
01-19-2013, 12:53 PM
  #838
E = CH²
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Country: Sri Lanka
Posts: 16,613
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario Lemieux fan 66 View Post
If the Habs trade Subban for Eberle, they could continue and trade Plekanec for a dmen like Yandle.
Sure, but that seems like a huge hassle. And would Phoenix even want to deal Yandle for Plekanec... This seems like a bird in hand, two in bush situation.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JHabs61 View Post
Eberle plays wing in Edmonton.

If Subban doesn't sign soon, I wouldn't mind trading him. If both sides aren't going to budge why not put him to use(in fetching us assets)
I stand corrected.

Also, for the record, I don't mind if Subban is traded for equal or better value. This would be more sensible than this holding out crap.

E = CH² is online now  
Old
01-19-2013, 12:56 PM
  #839
Mario Lemieux fan 66
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 568
vCash: 500
It's too early to judge definitely but It's too early to judge definitely but I've not been terribly impressed with Bergevin so far.
[/QUOTE]

I've not been terribly impressed by Subban so far. Subban is proving right now that he plays for the money and not the team. If Subban asked for a reasonnable contract ( less than 5 millions per year) everything would be over ans Subban will have been playing tonight.

Mario Lemieux fan 66 is offline  
Old
01-19-2013, 12:58 PM
  #840
E = CH²
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Country: Sri Lanka
Posts: 16,613
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario Lemieux fan 66 View Post
I've not been terribly impressed by Subban so far. Subban is proving right now that he plays for the money and not the team. If Subban asked for a reasonnable contract ( less than 5 millions per year) everything would be over ans Subban will have been playing tonight.
Well you have no clue what the amounts are that both sides would want. The only thing we know is that Subban wants a long term deal while Bergevin wants a bridge contract. It's the only thing we know.

E = CH² is online now  
Old
01-19-2013, 01:00 PM
  #841
No Style Points
Registered User
 
No Style Points's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Delaware
Country: United States
Posts: 980
vCash: 500
what a bummer, looks like my favorite player ain't playing tonight

No Style Points is offline  
Old
01-19-2013, 01:02 PM
  #842
E = CH²
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Country: Sri Lanka
Posts: 16,613
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneTimer11 View Post
what a bummer, looks like my favorite player ain't playing tonight
We want PK!
We want PK!
We want PK!

I almost guarantee we're going to hear this chant tonight.

This controversy will be Bergevin's doing.

E = CH² is online now  
Old
01-19-2013, 01:06 PM
  #843
Monctonscout
Monctonscout
 
Monctonscout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 30,844
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkeyeCB View Post
Realistically, what could Subban net us? If Subban + something small could net us an Eberle, I'm 110% in.
I wouldn't trade Subban straight up for Eberle let alone add something else.

Monctonscout is offline  
Old
01-19-2013, 01:09 PM
  #844
Keep Your Head Up
Registered User
 
Keep Your Head Up's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Québec city
Country: Canada
Posts: 95
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by E = CH² View Post
We want PK!
We want PK!
We want PK!

I almost guarantee we're going to hear this chant tonight.

This controversy will be Bergevin's doing.
Oh so you're saying PK as nothing to do with it?

Keep Your Head Up is offline  
Old
01-19-2013, 01:12 PM
  #845
FinnHab
Registered User
 
FinnHab's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: overseas...
Country: Finland
Posts: 1,227
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by E = CH² View Post
We want PK!
We want PK!
We want PK!

I almost guarantee we're going to hear this chant tonight.

This controversy will be Bergevin's doing.
My version is:

We want PK! But not any cost!
We want PK! But not any cost!


FinnHab is offline  
Old
01-19-2013, 01:13 PM
  #846
Jigger77
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,181
vCash: 500
Any actual news or updates in the last day or so?

Jigger77 is offline  
Old
01-19-2013, 01:14 PM
  #847
E = CH²
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Country: Sri Lanka
Posts: 16,613
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keep Your Head Up View Post
Oh so you're saying PK as nothing to do with it?
The habs should be jumping at the chance to ink Subban long term. In a way he's actually doing the right thing for the team by defying his dumb GM

E = CH² is online now  
Old
01-19-2013, 01:15 PM
  #848
Et le But
Moderator
 
Et le But's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: New York
Country: Argentina
Posts: 17,779
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by E = CH² View Post
We want PK!
We want PK!
We want PK!

I almost guarantee we're going to hear this chant tonight.

This controversy will be Bergevin's doing.
No excuses.

Et le But is offline  
Old
01-19-2013, 01:18 PM
  #849
Keep Your Head Up
Registered User
 
Keep Your Head Up's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Québec city
Country: Canada
Posts: 95
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by FinnHab View Post
My version is:

We want PK! But not any cost!
We want PK! But not any cost!

This.

Keep Your Head Up is offline  
Old
01-19-2013, 01:21 PM
  #850
E = CH²
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Country: Sri Lanka
Posts: 16,613
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by FinnHab View Post
My version is:

We want PK! But not any cost!
We want PK! But not any cost!

You won't hear that tonight.

E = CH² is online now  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:56 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.