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01-19-2013, 10:44 AM
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Morin + Beach + Pirri + 2nd

What's the value of this package? Lots of solid prospects in the Hawk's pool but so few roster spots for them.

Would this be enough to get a 1st in the 10/15 range? Enough to solve our goalie issue with a guy like Kipper?

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01-19-2013, 11:59 AM
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No. None of these guys have a very good chance of making a big impact in the nhl at this point.

I'd rather keep the top 10-15 pick.

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01-19-2013, 12:22 PM
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No. None of these guys have a very good chance of making a big impact in the nhl at this point.

I'd rather keep the top 10-15 pick.
I tend to disagree. Despite being a Hawk fan I have a lot of hope for those three players.
Beach is not a bust as it takes power forwards longer to develop not to mention his season ending injury last year. He has turned the corner as far as his attitude goes.
Morin will contribute at least as a 3rd line winger who plays with an edge and can find the net.
Pirri will surprise as he reminds me a lot of Larmer for some reason although he plays center.
I would not trade these three for Kipper that's for sure as he is nearing the end of his career and all three for a 10-15 pick is also a tough one as well.
I would want a young stud goalie for these three, someone like Schneider.

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No. None of these guys have a very good chance of making a big impact in the nhl at this point.

I'd rather keep the top 10-15 pick.
I think Pirri and Morin still have solid potential going forward to find a role in NHL. Who knows what the role/impact will be but I think both are quality prospects

Both guys are only 21 yrs old

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IRL you won`t find a team to pull the trigger on that. I even like Pirri and think in a theoretical add up you may almost get there, but really you are onloading 4 so so players, who have maybe about the same chance of producing one average NHL player between them as a 10-15 pick has, I don`t see anyone going for it.

As for Kipper, unless you asks to leave, Calgary probably needs at least a 1st or a very good prospect to make it worth their while.

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I tend to disagree. Despite being a Hawk fan I have a lot of hope for those three players.
Beach is not a bust as it takes power forwards longer to develop not to mention his season ending injury last year. He has turned the corner as far as his attitude goes.
Morin will contribute at least as a 3rd line winger who plays with an edge and can find the net.
Pirri will surprise as he reminds me a lot of Larmer for some reason although he plays center.
I would not trade these three for Kipper that's for sure as he is nearing the end of his career and all three for a 10-15 pick is also a tough one as well.
I would want a young stud goalie for these three, someone like Schneider.
Larmer played defense. Pirri needs a GPS to get to his own zone.

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Larmer played defense. Pirri needs a GPS to get to his own zone.
Steve Larmer was a right wing...

As far as the package, Morin and Beach need more time, Pirri could be a center on bad team, and the 2nd is a 2nd.

Now, that's not to say any of these guys won't turn into someone that can take a spot in the NHL, but right now every team has players of their mold.

I highly doubt that any team excepts a package like that for a high pick.

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Steve Larmer was a right wing...
But he played defense.

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This is basically a collection of prospects that aren't quite panning out (yet) to some high expectations they formerly had. This just isn't the kind of package another team would trade for.

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Exactly Sarava

This is type of deal you see in MLB not the NHL (Minus the pick of course since you cant trade picks in MLB)

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I tend to disagree. Despite being a Hawk fan I have a lot of hope for those three players.
Beach is not a bust as it takes power forwards longer to develop not to mention his season ending injury last year. He has turned the corner as far as his attitude goes.
Morin will contribute at least as a 3rd line winger who plays with an edge and can find the net.
Pirri will surprise as he reminds me a lot of Larmer for some reason although he plays center.
I would not trade these three for Kipper that's for sure as he is nearing the end of his career and all three for a 10-15 pick is also a tough one as well.
I would want a young stud goalie for these three, someone like Schneider.
Not a chance on gods green earth the Canucks even consider that package for Luongo let alone Schneider

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Not a chance on gods green earth the Canucks even consider that package for Luongo let alone Schneider
Trust me...we do not want Luongo

Not even for free. Remember what team you are talking to...we've seen him in the playoffs.

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But he played defense.
No matter how many times you say Larmer played defense will not change the fact that he was in fact a right wing.

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Not a chance on gods green earth the Canucks even consider that package for Luongo let alone Schneider
After last night's performance I believe the Hawks will withdrawl any interest in either of the Canuck goaltenders. All the best !!!

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No matter how many times you say Larmer played defense will not change the fact that he was in fact a right wing.
I believe he means that Larmer had a defensive aspect to his game where Pirri does not.

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I believe he means that Larmer had a defensive aspect to his game where Pirri does not.
Ohhhhhh!
Got ya! Well Pirri being a center does have to be aware of the big D issue.
Still, I like Pirri and I can only hope that he can come close to what Larmer brought

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Out of all that, as a hab fan I'd take Beach first.

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After last night's performance I believe the Hawks will withdrawl any interest in either of the Canuck goaltenders. All the best !!!
It was one game rofl! I'm surprised Crawford hasn't been tarred and feathered yet if that's how seriously you take one bad game

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It was one game rofl! I'm surprised Crawford hasn't been tarred and feathered yet if that's how seriously you take one bad game
All in good fun!

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This is basically a collection of prospects that aren't quite panning out (yet) to some high expectations they formerly had. This just isn't the kind of package another team would trade for.
Concur with this^ also, viewing Beach as x-factor throw in, except I see it is good enough to get something decent from someone, but hard to say who.

Legit contenders who do not have extra to spare rarely invest in depth, even if the case can be made to some extent they should.

Perhaps sq 1 is to ask, which couple of teams would benefit from this particular package? What is fair value? Then mindful you have to give them impetus to deal, what is reasonable discounted price of package still mutually good to make a do-able deal.

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Concur with this^ also, viewing Beach as x-factor throw in, except I see it is good enough to get something decent from someone, but hard to say who.

Legit contenders who do not have extra to spare rarely invest in depth, even if the case can be made to some extent they should.

Perhaps sq 1 is to ask, which couple of teams would benefit from this particular package? What is fair value? Then mindful you have to give them impetus to deal, what is reasonable discounted price of package still mutually good to make a do-able deal.
It would have to be a team with a weak forward prospect pool.

San Jose, Vancouver, Philadelphia (maybe), Calgary, Colorado, Tampa, Devils, Pittsburgh

I'd happily do the above package for a 1st rounder from any of those teams. Or add Crawford to the deal and get Kipper. Would the above mentioned teams be interested in something like that?

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It would have to be a team with a weak forward prospect pool.

San Jose, Vancouver, Philadelphia (maybe), Calgary, Colorado, Tampa, Devils, Pittsburgh

I'd happily do the above package for a 1st rounder from any of those teams. Or add Crawford to the deal and get Kipper. Would the above mentioned teams be interested in something like that?
No. But indirectly you might get close.

Phoenix, according to the boards, is considering to part with quality D for quality F. They might give you a conditional 3rd and a definite sixth just for Beach, a former 1st rounder properly discounted, upgrading that 3rd to a 2nd if Beach works out.

If you can peddle these wares to where they fit and get enough in more liquid assets better convertible and in demand, then you may be able to get close to a higher pick, or being able to trade up to a higher pick if you add a pick.

What I'm sayin is, look inside the box, but don't ignore looking outside the box.

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I'd be interestd in adding those guys to the Leafs

Would the Hawks be interested in Reimer or Scrivens for a combination of those players?

something like Beach and Morin

If the Leafs trade Frattin + for a goalie adding depth prospects like this with a goalie would be a good move

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Larmer played defense. Pirri needs a GPS to get to his own zone.
ahahahaha and wold agree that Larmer was pretty solid defensively

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It would have to be a team with a weak forward prospect pool.

San Jose, Vancouver, Philadelphia (maybe), Calgary, Colorado, Tampa, Devils, Pittsburgh

I'd happily do the above package for a 1st rounder from any of those teams. Or add Crawford to the deal and get Kipper. Would the above mentioned teams be interested in something like that?
No from the Avs, its not a bad package but after trading our 1st last year, management would probably have to get a slam dunk of a deal to trade it again. Especially in this deep a draft.

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