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01-19-2013, 04:25 PM
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That's what makes co-gming great. Every pick requires due diligence and has accountability.
That's great when people are communicating everyday , not so great when it takes too much time to reply to each other (not pointing at VanI and Hedberg , I have no clue how much they talk , was speaking in generalities here).

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01-19-2013, 04:29 PM
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That's great when people are communicating everyday , not so great when it takes too much time to reply to each other (not pointing at VanI and Hedberg , I have no clue how much they talk , was speaking in generalities here).
If it takes this long to decide normally than every pick will be skipped. I think they are using the time for more big picture planning, and possibly just enjoying the return of NHL hockey weekend. The clock has not started, the *****ing about people running out their clock should never start, lets not worry about how much time people take before the clock even starts.

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01-19-2013, 05:15 PM
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If it takes this long to decide normally than every pick will be skipped. I think they are using the time for more big picture planning, and possibly just enjoying the return of NHL hockey weekend. The clock has not started, the *****ing about people running out their clock should never start, lets not worry about how much time people take before the clock even starts.
My assumption is that one of them just isn't around. No big deal lol.

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01-19-2013, 06:39 PM
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The Hershey Bears draft the most complete player of all time in Gordie Howe, who was top-5 in NHL scoring for 20 consecutive seasons and was heralded as the strongest physically, not to mention his defensive abilities, discipline and dominance whenever on the ice in all game situations, including significant penalty kill time. Throughout his career he was the fiercest on the ice but the most gentlemanly off the ice. He was the model of a hockey god.


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I pick Gordie as my #1 all-time player. He played the longest. He was the toughest player of his era. He was the best offensive player and defensively he was used in all situations. He could play center, right wing, and defense. He could shoot right and he could shoot left. If you could make a mold for a hockey player it would be him. I never thought there was another player close to him."
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“When I think about players, I consider three ingredients: the head, heart and the feet,” Bowman said. “Some players don’t have any of those, and some players have one or two. But Gordie had all three in high dimensions.”

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Originally Posted by Mark Kram, Sports Illustrated, 1967
Despite an even temperament and a real distaste for combat, there is a part of Howe that is calculatingly and primitively savage. He is a punishing artist with a hockey stick, slashing, spearing, tripping and high-sticking his way to a comparative degree of solitude on the ice."
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In 1957, XXXX knocked Howe down with vicious intent. Howe had to be helped to the bench. 10 seasons later in 1967, XXXX(the same player) was playing for Oakland and was defending Howe on a one-on-one rush. Howe took a shot and the follow through of the stick caught XXXX in the throat. XXXX was down on the ice bleeding. Howe mercilessly stood over him and said "Now we're even."

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The aura of health is obvious even to those in the stands, but what they go to see is Howe the goal scorer, flicking his huge wrists with a silken strength, a mongoose quickness. Chicago's XXXXX is famous for a slap shot that has been timed at 118.3 mph. Howe's wrist shot—he doesn't waste time winding up—sizzles in at 114.2 mph. It is the game's most accurate shot, and Howe, the only truly ambidextrous NHL player, can score with equal facility from either side of his body. He uses a 21-ounce stick of Canadian ash with only a slight bend in the blade and an extremely stiff handle. "Give Gordie a stick with an ordinary handle," says Trainer Lefty Wilson, "and he'll break it like a toothpick. He is so strong that when he shoots, that handle bends like a banana."

"Nobody could take better care of himself than Gordie does," says Oakland's XXXXXXX, once a Red Wing roommate of Howe's. "He doesn't smoke, and he won't drink anything stronger than beer. He knows exactly what his body needs and he makes sure it gets it. For Gordie it's always the same: go to bed, get up for the team meeting at noon, eat at 2 o'clock, take a walk, then back to bed until time for the bus to the game."

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There are many good players in this league, some truly great ones. In thirteen years, I’ve managed to play against all of them at one time or another. Why then do I pick Gordie as the top?

Well, let me put it this way. In my opinion, Gordie Howe just does things so much better than any other player. On offense, there are few who can come close to him, let alone surpass him. That big guy can do more things with a stick and puck than any man I’ve ever seen. And that shot of his! I’ll tell you, he gets that thing away faster than most people can blink their eyes.

He’s as great a playmaker as he is a scorer, and he’s the second highest scorer in hockey history. Defensively, he’s top too. With that long skating stride of his and his long reach, Gord’s a pretty hard man to get around. He can check with the best of them and his covers don’t score many goals, when he’s on the ice.

Just name me one other team which, like the Red Wings, uses its number one star to kill penalties. Our coach, Jimmy Skinner, often uses Gord in this role, because of his great defensive ability.

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Howe didn't just survive, he was dominant - on the scoring lists, in battles in the corners, on game-winning goals and when the year-end awards were handed out. He was a big man, though by modern standards no behemoth, but what set him apart was his incredible strength.

Though other superstars could be deemed somewhat better scorers, tougher fighters or faster skaters, no player has approached Gordie Howe's sustained level of excellence. Incredibly, Gordie finished in the top 5 in NHL scoring for 20 straight seasons. To endure and excel, Howe needed a unique set of qualities, both physical and mental, and the foundations for his astonishing career were laid in him from an early age.
Here he is as a Bantam 14-year-old player:

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In his prime in the 1950s and 1960s he was routinely described by coaches as the smartest player, the finest passer, the best playmaker and the most unstoppable puck carrier in the game. XXXXX, an opponent of Howe back in the early days, understatedly remarked "Gordie plays a funny kind of game; he doesn't let anyone else touch the puck!"

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“Y’know,” said Jimmy, “I can use the big guy anywhere. At center, on either wing or even on defense if need be. In fact, I believe that if I had to use him on defense, he’d be as good as any defenseman in time. But I’ll tell you the most remarkable thing of all about Gordie. Do you know that, as great and all as he is, Howe will come into the dressing room after he’s had a poor game, which isn’t often, and ask me what he was doing wrong out there. Imagine! Me trying to tell a player of Howe’s unquestioned ability what he’s doing wrong.”

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Gordie Howe has to be the greatest Detroit Red Wings player of all-time because he is the greatest NHL player of all-time.

There is ample testimony and evidence to support that verdict, starting with the fact that his nickname is Mr. Hockey. Going back to the 1940s, Howe’s name was synonymous with the Red Wings and the game of hockey. Undoubtedly many people in America in the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s didn’t know pucks from polka dots, but they could have told you that Gordie Howe was the league’s best player.

Supporting evidence for how remarkable Howe was during his career:

- Won six Hart trophies and six Art Ross trophies.
- Suffered a fractured skull and brain swelling during the 1950-51 playoffs, and then won the NHL scoring championship in 1951-52.
- Registered 103 points in the season when he turned 40 years old.
- Played in 29 All-Star games in 32 seasons of professional hockey.
- Scored his last NHL goal at age 52, now an age when you can have an AARP membership.
- In 1959, Howe fought and defeated New York Rangers forward Lou Fontinato, who was considered the NHL’s top fighter. Howe won the Hart Trophy that season.
- In the 1960s, it was estimated that Howe’s wrist shot was well over 100 mph.
- In 26 NHL seasons, he played almost 97% of his games during his career. From 1961 to 1970, he missed only two games, even though he played a ruthlessly rough style of play.

Howe had special tricks and he used them all. He could shoot with either hand, and he would often switch just to confuse the goalie. He could bank pucks off Olympia Stadium boards and read the caroms like an expert pool player. Hall of Fame goalie Glenn Hall recalls that Howe would drive the net with his knee out to beat the defenseman, “and he could shoot with one hand if he needed to.”

He was always faster than he looked. “I watched a lot of good skaters try to catch him from behind and never do it,” Hall of Fame defenseman Bill Gadsby said.


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“It is like a great golfer,” Arbour said. “They swing so nice and easy and they make it seem so simple. You try to duplicate that swing and it’s impossible. No one could do it like Mr. Hockey. No matter what it was, he could do it well, whether it was penalty killing, power play or making passes.”

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01-19-2013, 06:41 PM
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Yup, I assumed you were going Howe. Not who I would take, but obviously a great a pick.

Not excited to have to deal with him in our division.

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01-19-2013, 06:55 PM
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excellant choice , my prediction was correct that you guys were going to pick Howe which is why I traded my 3rd overall spot (already built a team around the 3rd potential guy).

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Gordie Howe
Damn.

I was hoping he would slip to me at #20.

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excellant choice , my prediction was correct that you guys were going to pick Howe which is why I traded my 3rd overall spot (already built a team around the 3rd potential guy).
I don't get this notion that just because you had a player in a previous draft you shouldn't take them again. He's the biggest force of offence the game has ever seen and obviously his team did alright last year..

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I don't get this notion that just because you had a player in a previous draft you shouldn't take them again. He's the biggest force of offence the game has ever seen and obviously his team did alright last year..
People like to draft different players, because it's a big part of the fun. I hate drafting the same players in the first few rounds. I get more comfortable drafting the same depth players, especially when I feel they are always underrated. If Reen didn't wanted the obvious next selection, he did the right thing by trading away.

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Reen is a fiery competitor, he should want to draft the best team he can.

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I don't get this notion that just because you had a player in a previous draft you shouldn't take them again. He's the biggest force of offence the game has ever seen and obviously his team did alright last year..
Because when you draft a player , especially your franchise player , you also get to know him a whole lot more and I would like to gain more knowledge on differant players.

It's also funnier to try differant approaches to team building.

I would have liked to pick Howe , but felt that he wasn't going to be there at 3rd.

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01-19-2013, 07:12 PM
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Reen is a fiery competitor, he should want to draft the best team he can.
My team at 18th last year was infinitely stronger than my team at 2nd in 2011.I don't feel like the teams picking in the top spots are necessarily better.Building a team is a long process , it's hard to get all the pieces right.A top spot doesn't guarantee anything.

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01-19-2013, 07:22 PM
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People like to draft different players, because it's a big part of the fun.
True.

Back in ATD6 (in the fall of 2006) my team had the 2nd overall spot and I passed on Howe and Hockey Outsider picked him up at the 3rd overall spot and built the championship squad of that draft. (I had no regrets as my team became the 1st seed in the Jim Robson division, though it was upset early in the playoffs.)

There are some all-time greats I have never had the chance to draft and look forward to making part of the team, if draft position and my co-GM's judgement cohere.

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8). NO MENTIONING UNDRAFTED PLAYERS!!!
Add this rule to the op Hobnobs/MODs:

9). PM the next team after you have made your pick.

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Add this rule to the op Hobnobs/MODs:

9). PM the next team after you have made your pick.
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Will do!
And cry because Howe is in your division.

(Certainly you'll have to think size and strength on the blueline if you want to slow him down at all.)

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Add this rule to the op Hobnobs/MODs:

9). PM the next team after you have made your pick.
Good idea. I added a "THIS IS NOT OPTIONAL!" line afterwards.

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God damn it, was hoping to get Howe.

We'll settle with the consolation prize, Wayne Gretzky, C

Will add more later, posting from my phone.

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In the right environment, Gretzky can be the most effective player of the draft. You really can`t go wrong by selecting Howe or Gretzky. Really depend the kind of team you wanna build.

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In the right environment, Gretzky can be the most effective player of the draft.
Indeed, in terms of linemates, team supporting assets (enforcer to protect him) and the kind of era/divisional play. Note: Both Bobby Orr (Nuggets) and Wayne Gretzky (Smoke Eaters) are in the Foster Hewitt Division!


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Not a word of a lie when it looked like I may have had the #1 pick I would have picked Wayne Gretzky without hesitation.

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can somebody text Leaf Lander?

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can somebody text Leaf Lander?
Why not you? I PM'd him. Dunno nuthin' 'bout textin'. Not a techie myself.

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Why not you? I PM'd him. Dunno nuthin' 'bout textin'. Not a techie myself.
I don't even have a cell phone (by choice).I'm a old school guy at heart.Never texted in my life.

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Only a handful select few have LL's cell phone number, I knew arrbez texted him most times last year but I might as well have it since I'll be picking before him 50% of the time.

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