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01-19-2013, 10:54 PM
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Do you realize what it means when a player is put on waivers?
Irving has better numbers than Bishop in the NHL and he was on waivers as they wanted an extra day as Karlsson looked good in camp. It was a calculated risk as a team would have had to have already had room from Irving in order to claim him clearly it worked.

Bishop passed through waivers last year a year older than Irving does that mean he is terrible?

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So you want to judge them not based on how they did but merely because one was put on waivers
29 teams said no to taking him for free...

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01-19-2013, 10:55 PM
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Irving has better numbers than Bishop in the NHL and he was on waivers as they wanted an extra day as Karlsson looked good in camp. It was a calculated risk as a team would have had to have already had room from Irving in order to claim him clearly it worked.

Bishop passed through waivers last year a year older than Irving does that mean he is terrible?
No one is saying hes terrible.

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01-19-2013, 10:56 PM
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29 teams said no to taking him for free...
and 29 said no to Bishop last year whats your point?

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No one is saying hes terrible.
So based on what is Bishop better than Irving they are about equal.

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and 29 said no to Bishop last year whats your point?
pretty sure bishop has never been on waivers.

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01-19-2013, 11:20 PM
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pretty sure bishop has never been on waivers.
My bad you are correct but he was in the ahl until he was 25 there isn't much of an argument for him being much better. But most articles say it was believed he would pass through regardless.


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and 29 said no to Bishop last year whats your point?
Uhhh...what?

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01-20-2013, 12:24 AM
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My bad you are correct but he was in the ahl until he was 25 there isn't much of an argument for him being much better. But most articles say it was believed he would pass through regardless.
Show me a single article in the past calendar year that says Bishop would ever even have a chance of clearing waivers.

Some people need to stop before they dig their holes even deeper than they already have.

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01-20-2013, 12:27 AM
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So based on what is Bishop better than Irving they are about equal.
There actual gameplay.

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01-20-2013, 12:33 AM
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Show me a single article in the past calendar year that says Bishop would ever even have a chance of clearing waivers.

Some people need to stop before they dig their holes even deeper than they already have.
I was talking about last year and I totally misread the article (to many game beers) (http://ingoalmag.com/news/experience...-blues-backup/). I apologize I still maintain they are equally good options as Irving is 2 years younger and did better last year than Bishop has done in the nhl.

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01-20-2013, 12:36 AM
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There actual gameplay.
Leland Irving
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2011-2012
Sv% .912

Ben Bishop
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2011-2012
Sv% .909

2010-2011 (When Bishop was Irving's age)
Sv% .899

Doesn't seem like a gap to me.

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01-20-2013, 12:42 AM
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Leland Irving
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Sv% .912

Ben Bishop
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2011-2012
Sv% .909

2010-2011 (When Bishop was Irving's age)
Sv% .899

Doesn't seem like a gap to me.
I said actual gameplay. Not stats. Goalie stats dont really show much.

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01-20-2013, 12:43 AM
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I said actual gameplay. Not stats. Goalie stats dont really show much.
So your saying there is no way to compare them? Irving was great in all but one start in Calgary I think he will do just as well as Bishop.

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01-20-2013, 12:51 AM
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So your saying there is no way to compare them? Irving was great in all but one start in Calgary I think he will do just as well as Bishop.
Then why waive him?

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so your saying there is no way to compare them? Irving was great in all but one start in calgary i think he will do just as well as bishop.
gameplay.

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So we lose a goalie, The Anton, AND a pick.. for another back up goalie?

LOL no thx.

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01-20-2013, 12:55 AM
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Then why waive him?
I already said that Karlsson also looked real good and they needed the extra day. The stats say they perform equally effectively.

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gameplay.
Again they are equally effective in the net.

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01-20-2013, 12:57 AM
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You can't really analyze Bishop through his NHL stats as its a real small sample size. The only reason his sample size is small is because he has been behind Halak/Elliot on the depth charts and now behind Anderson.

I can say with confidence if Bishop was put on waivers he would be claimed by the first few teams that get the chance. Bishop's value is realistically still around the price the Sens got him for (2nd round pick) whereas Irving has no value at all.

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If the Sens put Bishop on waivers, I would bet good money that he would be claimed.

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Leland Irving
NHL
2011-2012
Sv% .912

Ben Bishop
NHL
2011-2012
Sv% .909

2010-2011 (When Bishop was Irving's age)
Sv% .899

Doesn't seem like a gap to me.
2011/12

Leland Irving
7gp 3.20GAA .912SV%

Ben Bishop
10gp 2.48GAA .906%

2.76GAA (When he was Irvings age)

I can cherry pick stats too.

Also, since you like to mention Bishop being older, Bishop played in the NHL at a younger age than Irving.

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If the Sens put Bishop on waivers, I would bet good money that he would be claimed.
I would bet good money that Leland Irving would have been claimed had it not been for his poor start to this season (six AHL games..). Realistically Feaster knew that no team was going to take a flyer in a shortened season on a goaltender who from all accounts had been struggling recently. It was a smart move on Feaster's behalf as it not only opens up roster flexibility moving forward, but also gives Irving a kick in the pants to keep improving.

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2011/12

Leland Irving
7gp 3.20GAA .912SV%

Ben Bishop
10gp 2.48GAA .906%

2.76GAA (When he was Irvings age)

I can cherry pick stats too.

Also, since you like to mention Bishop being older, Bishop played in the NHL at a younger age than Irving.
I didn't include GAA as it is more of a team stat and Irving faced more shots. I believe they were both 23 when they made their nhl debut and Irving did at least as well.

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If the Sens put Bishop on waivers, I would bet good money that he would be claimed.

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