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01-19-2013, 09:58 PM
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Only a handful select few have LL's cell phone number, I knew arrbez texted him most times last year but I might as well have it since I'll be picking before him 50% of the time.
I think he posted it in the Sign Up Thread....I'll try to find it hold on.

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I think he posted it in the Sign Up Thread....I'll try to find it hold on.
I just messaged him on Facebook to let him know he was up.

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01-19-2013, 10:03 PM
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He said this in the sign-up thread
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I can't do it because I get charged for calls to Canada, can someone else?

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he gave it in one thread couple of days ago

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I would have no qualms if someone decided to take Gordie Howe first overall. I had him last year, and he was a tremendous asset to my team. I only wish that I could have better utilized his talents.

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01-19-2013, 10:08 PM
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Not a word of a lie when it looked like I may have had the #1 pick I would have picked Wayne Gretzky without hesitation.
gretzky is probably the best player, but orr does not seem to be penalized a lot for his short career and injuries.

but i might pick orr 1st, b/c i have had gretzky before, and howe, too.

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01-19-2013, 11:03 PM
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I think the best defenseman, the best right winger and the best center of all time each has claim on being the best player of all time.

But in terms of team building....

Howe is the easiest to build around because he does it all;
Gretzky has the greatest team scoring boost potential (everyone around him scores more) as long as he has a scoring winger, physical second line center for match-ups and an enforcer to protect him;
Orr is the most important to having a competive advantage because of what he brings to the blueline is unparallelled and so important to a team's success (defense, offense, speed, smarts, puck possession time).


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01-19-2013, 11:30 PM
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Ok I am here will pick in a min

Here is my phne # to text the only problem I have is I am stuck on a scheduale working till midnight est

And work forbids cell phnes now for security issues

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Guess I'll pick sids boss Mario Lemieux!!!


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Guess I'll pick sids boss Mario Lemieux!!!
There is no greater consensus than the avalanche or tsunami flood of support for 4th overall all time!

"If only he had been healthy..."

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Ok I am here will pick in a min

Here is my phne # to text the only problem I have is I am stuck on a scheduale working till midnight est

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Guess I'll pick sids boss Mario Lemieux!!!
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I guess a case could be made for who is the 2nd best center of all time, though the deicsions of GMs in the ATDs have been consistent since day one: Lemieux is ALWAYS drafted the second greatest center of all time.

We are building teams here, so injure-proneness is a factor. And thus, Gretz vs. Mario is beside the point in terms of team building. We know who is more reliable.

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I don't think this board takes "injure-proneness" into account nearly as much as it should.

This might be the drum I beat all draft.

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I don't think this board takes "injure-proneness" into account nearly as much as it should.

This might be the drum I beat all draft.
Agree. It's something that's really difficult to account for when evaluating an entire team vs. another. Do you have a good way to account for injuries when making your team comparisons? I certainly would be open to hearing some suggestions, because it's something I struggle with.

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Agree. It's something that's really difficult to account for when evaluating an entire team vs. another. Do you have a good way to account for injuries when making your team comparisons? I certainly would be open to hearing some suggestions, because it's something I struggle with.
I think you have two options:

1) Look at the percentage of games they missed in their prime and assume a similar amount missed here.

or

2) Look at straight up seasonal scoring stats; none of that per-game stuff.

I think matchups matter too - a team with physical defensemen is more likely to injure an injury-prone forward, etc.

But I think some GMs are of the mindset that injuries don't happen in the ATD, and I strongly disagree.

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01-20-2013, 12:20 AM
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1) Look at the percentage of games they missed in their prime and assume a similar amount missed here.

or

2) Look at straight up seasonal scoring stats; none of that per-game stuff.

I think matchups matter too - a team with physical defensemen is more likely to injure an injury-prone forward, etc.

But I think some GMs are of the mindset that injuries don't happen in the ATD, and I strongly disagree.
I agree with every point.

All relevant: Games missed, season totals regardless, likelihood of a player with injury proneness to get injured in the ATD division/match-up it's in, etcetera.

After all, the legacy of a player in in terms of hockey history and public consciousness is shaped by what was done and not done, the injuries limiting the all-time worth of some players with extreme talent but less than ideal physical health.

That said, it is just one factor among many, and ought not to be overplayed either. A risk/benefit analysis needs to be made on a case-by-case basis.

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I think you have two options:

1) Look at the percentage of games they missed in their prime and assume a similar amount missed here.

or

2) Look at straight up seasonal scoring stats; none of that per-game stuff.

I think matchups matter too - a team with physical defensemen is more likely to injure an injury-prone forward, etc.

But I think some GMs are of the mindset that injuries don't happen in the ATD, and I strongly disagree.
So for someone like Orr, who has a huge impact on his team, do you just start them down a game in an ATD playoff series right off the bat? (I'm assuming his injury history causes him to miss at least one game)

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So for someone like Orr, who has a huge impact on his team, do you just start them down a game in an ATD playoff series right off the bat? (I'm assuming his injury history causes him to miss at least one game)
There is no formula! Each of us takes into consideration his injury history, but to what degree and in what respects, is not set in stone.

I personally do not knock Orr in the playoffs (unlike some other all-time greats with injury issues) but do expect that the team that drafts him have a competent #7 to take a regular shift, competent #4 to handle top-3 duty in the LONG REGULAR season.

I have always maintained that a team can handle any single player with a history of injury issues, but two or three starts to raise eyebrows and question marks.

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Orr's tough because he didn't miss THAT many games in his prime, but then his career was finished early. I think the opponent should also play a factor. And I think having the right kind of teammates could be a deterrent towards taking shots at Orr if you set it up right.

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The other reason not to draft Orr is that his teams lost several times in the playoffs during his prime. Gretzky had a five year run where his teams won four Stanley Cups and two Canada Cups. What's the formula for beating Gretzky at his peak? Hard to say because it rarely happened.

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The other reason not to draft Orr is that his teams lost several times in the playoffs during his prime. Gretzky had a five year run where his teams won four Stanley Cups and two Canada Cups. What's the formula for beating Gretzky at his peak? Hard to say because it rarely happened.
Force his defensemen into making own goals?

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Not a word of a lie when it looked like I may have had the #1 pick I would have picked Wayne Gretzky without hesitation.
I would do the same, tony, and I'm old enough to remember Bobby Orr (Howe...not so much).

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I would do the same, tony, and I'm old enough to remember Bobby Orr (Howe...not so much).
Howe owned Orr head to head



Orr said he would never compare himself to Gordie.

After Howe's 20 years top-5 in NHL scoring he had another NHL season, top-10, then jumped to the more lucrative $$$ WHA and was 7th all-time in career points for that league, knocking players around:



Only Mr. Hockey could joke-strangle the Prime Minister of Canada:

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