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01-19-2013, 12:37 PM
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if they could get Gomez for 700Kish it would be ok. He's better than Ebbett!

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01-19-2013, 01:01 PM
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if they could get Gomez for 700Kish it would be ok. He's better than Ebbett!
No, no he really isn't. Look at their stats, Ebbett has nearly out produced Gomez over the past 3-4 years despite never playing more than 50 games a season.

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01-19-2013, 07:58 PM
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if they could get Gomez for 700Kish it would be ok. He's better than Ebbett!

700k to SJ. Should have signed him IMO.

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01-20-2013, 12:44 AM
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This team really needs to go out of it's way to trade for some top end offensive talent. If you look at the Stanley Cup winners from the past couple of years, their top six was loaded with elite talent and they always traded for a couple of big names before their big seasons.

Kings

Kopitar
Richards
Carter
Williams
Brown
Penner

Boston

Lucic
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Krejci
Horton
Recchi
Ryder
Marchand
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Kane
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Versteeg
Ladd
Brouwer

The Canucks have the Sedins and Kesler for consistent offensive threats... and that's about it.

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01-20-2013, 12:47 AM
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^^^ all those teams had prospects that people wanted in trades as well as young talent hey drafted.

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^^^ all those teams had prospects that people wanted in trades as well as young talent hey drafted.
Schneider could bring in two young forwards.

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Schneider could bring in two young forwards.
Id be all for it. But it depends on which team he goes to. Philly? Sign me up. Toronto? No thank you

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^^^ all those teams had prospects that people wanted in trades as well as young talent hey drafted.
Imagine if Nonis just did the obvious thing in the 2005, 2006, and 2007 1st rounds... Kopitar, Chris Stewart, and David Perron... Ugh. And I'm not even kidding, those were the players that were expected to be picked at our picks. The guy set back this franchise years with his drafting. It's a miracle Gillis was able to pull off this turnaround.

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01-20-2013, 12:52 AM
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Imagine if Nonis just did the obvious thing in the 2005, 2006, and 2007 1st rounds... Kopitar, Chris Stewart, and David Perron... Ugh. And I'm not even kidding, those were the players that were expected to be picked at our picks. The guy set back this franchise years with his drafting. It's a miracle Gillis was able to pull of this turnaround.
I will never forgive that fat tub of goo for missing out on Kopitar. That was the biggest no-brainer in my time as a hockey fan.

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01-20-2013, 12:53 AM
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Imagine if Nonis just did the obvious thing in the 2005, 2006, and 2007 1st rounds... Kopitar, Chris Stewart, and David Perron... Ugh. And I'm not even kidding, those were the players that were expected to be picked at our picks. The guy set back this franchise years with his drafting. It's a miracle Gillis was able to pull of this turnaround.
Yup. That would have been a dream . And I remember all those rankings. we're cursed

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01-20-2013, 02:15 AM
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Yup. That would have been a dream . And I remember all those rankings. we're cursed

Well you take the good with the bad. If Nonis had drafted those guys, he'd still be here, and we wouldn't have the benefit of Gillis finding supplementary talent to fill out the roster. This was another weakness of Nonis IMO. So yes, we would have had the key pieces needed to better contend, but we would not have had Gillis to take it a step further, so to speak.


It was necessary to miss out on those drafts in order to replace Nonis with Gillis.

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01-20-2013, 02:24 AM
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Well you take the good with the bad. If Nonis had drafted those guys, he'd still be here, and we wouldn't have the benefit of Gillis finding supplementary talent to fill out the roster. This was another weakness of Nonis IMO. So yes, we would have had the key pieces needed to better contend, but we would not have had Gillis to take it a step further, so to speak.


It was necessary to miss out on those drafts in order to replace Nonis with Gillis.
I agree that it's too hard to look back but perhaps those 3 would not have developed yet and he still would have been fired.

Although this team having those 3 would have made Nonis a demigod in Toronto.

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This team really needs to go out of it's way to trade for some top end offensive talent. If you look at the Stanley Cup winners from the past couple of years, their top six was loaded with elite talent and they always traded for a couple of big names before their big seasons.

Kings

Kopitar
Richards
Carter
Williams
Brown
Penner

Boston

Lucic
Bergeron
Krejci
Horton
Recchi
Ryder
Marchand
Seguin
Savard

Chicago

Kane
Towes
Sharp
Hossa
Versteeg
Ladd
Brouwer

The Canucks have the Sedins and Kesler for consistent offensive threats... and that's about it.
I love how you include fat pancake eaters and 42 year olds as scoring depth for other teams but only the elite offensive talent on our team... very fair comparison

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01-20-2013, 02:08 PM
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I love how you include fat pancake eaters and 42 year olds as scoring depth for other teams but only the elite offensive talent on our team... very fair comparison
Did Penner and Recchi not contribute in the playoffs?

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I love how you include fat pancake eaters and 42 year olds as scoring depth for other teams but only the elite offensive talent on our team... very fair comparison
Yeah because Ray Whitney and Teemu Selanne are such bad 40+ year olds. Our offensive depth doesn't really compare... If Raymond can output 40 points and Hansen continues his play of last season you got two more players. I really hope Higgins can continue his play, and Booth returns to being the player he once was. Burrows was also not referenced here, which he should have been.

Too bad Gillis traded away the young offensive talent we had in Grabner and Hodgson. Sucks watching teams like Ottawa cultivate that talent, and the Canucks go with Ebbett over Schroeder.

Gillis isn't a good judge of talent and that much has been evident based on his past moves. I really question those that are advising him on his acquisitions and departures.

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Did Penner and Recchi not contribute in the playoffs?
I think the point was if you include guys like them then maybe it's okay to put someone like Burrows on there for us.

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01-20-2013, 02:24 PM
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I love how you include fat pancake eaters and 42 year olds as scoring depth for other teams but only the elite offensive talent on our team... very fair comparison
Ummm, he's right.

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Ummm, he's right.
So Penner and his 17 points last season and his 11 points in 20 playoff games counts but a guy like Burrows who has been a lock for 25 goals and 50 points the last few years and who put up 17 points in 25 games in the playoffs is excluded? OK...

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01-20-2013, 02:29 PM
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So Penner and his 17 points last season and his 11 points in 20 playoff games counts but a guy like Burrows who has been a lock for 25 goals and 50 points the last few years and who put up 17 points in 25 games in the playoffs is excluded? OK...
Burrows can be included. We don't have scoring depth all over our top 9 forwards like cup winners have had, though.

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01-20-2013, 02:32 PM
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Burrows can be included. We don't have scoring depth all over our top 9 forwards like cup winners have had, though.
After Sedins/Kes/Burrows we have pretty much nothing. No one shot scorers on the team either, and tons of trouble raising the puck around the net.

This team needs a couple impact forwards.

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Burrows can be included. We don't have scoring depth all over our top 9 forwards like cup winners have had, though.
Sure we do.

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Sure we do.
Oh yeah the deadly Hansen, Higgins, Lapierre, Booth, Ebbett that are going to scare the oposition...

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Oh yeah the deadly Hansen, Higgins, Lapierre, Booth, Ebbett that are going to scare the oposition...
Well, they did make it to the SCF

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Sure we do.
No. No we don't.

We have a mixed bag of hard-working guys with limited offensive awareness or skills. And they don't have the size to get those grind it out goals from within 5 feet of the crease.

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Hodgson looked pretty good today, 1 goal plus 2 against flyers.

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