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Lupul re-signs with Toronto 5 years (5.25 average)

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01-20-2013, 02:50 PM
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Lupul is one of the hardest working Leafs. He

Lupul has been traded because he actually has VALUE. In the Beauchemin deal, he didn't....Anaheim thought he was damaged goods. However, a player doesn't get traded for Pronger TWICE because he is not a "keeper". Do you think Edmonton and Anaheim brought in Lupul in those deals because he had problems? Its because they saw value in him.
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Never met anyone who tried to argue that someone who has been traded as many times as Lupul before the age of 28 years old is because he was so VALUABLE.

Good luck with him. If any team deserves to make the playoffs its the Leafs. The fans deserve it.

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01-20-2013, 02:55 PM
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High risk, high reward.

He could get injured, be in and out of the line-up not putting up many points

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He could turn into the PPG player that was expected of him when he was drafted

I'm willing to take that risk at 5.25mil per year

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01-20-2013, 02:56 PM
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Ok signing. Not good not bad. IMO should have waited for few months to see how things go. But maybe then Lupul would/could have demanded more.

If he's injured a lot he'll be on IR. I seriously doubt that money will be problem for the Leafs the next five years.

If he regresses a little, say 55-60 point player it's still ok contract.

If he falls off the cliff and won't be legit top6er then this will be bad. That could have been avoided by going for 2-3 year contract. But Lupul camp probably wouldn't have accepted that unless the cap hit would have been 7+ mil. Which would have been pretty bad ofc.

So imo this is better than letting him walk. Some team would have paid him that money, I think, so no way Lupul would have accepted shorter contract.

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01-20-2013, 02:57 PM
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01-20-2013, 02:59 PM
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When you are rebuilding, you still need veteran guys with good leadership for the younger players...

Might be slightly high, but worth it keeping him here. Should help get Kessel signed up too.
. I would hate to see the Leaf fans go through another angry yelling match to get Kessel to waive his NMC to trade him so he wont walk out like what happened with Sundin.

Get him locked up early.

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01-20-2013, 03:00 PM
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I like the signing for Toronto. Definitely shows chemistry with Kessel and from all the reports he's a great locker room presence.

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to be fair he missed 87 games due to a blood infection
to be fair hemsky HAD two bad shoulders.

So now we know why they were hurt.

lupul may continue to skag hunt
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hemsky's shoulders could be reinjured.

does not reduce the fact there was a thread on how bad the signing of hemsky was.

Now we have a contract:
1. for more money per season
2. for 3 yr longer term
3. for a more games lost player.
4. For a less productive player.

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01-20-2013, 03:03 PM
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Seems high after only having 1 great season with that injury history. Not to mention the cap will be going down next year.

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This is surprising I thought he was going to free agency once he could.

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01-20-2013, 03:11 PM
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For his work with the Leafs that's a fair deal.
For his overall body of work that deal is laughably bad.

Hopefully he keeps up his high level of play with the Leafs.
He's a career 20-25 goal per year scorer other than two years of injuries. And he had a career year last year. We know he can put the puck in the net, and that is not unique to last season. And he put up career year numbers last year. And this contract negotiation is a UFA contract negotiation.

For his work with the Leafs, that contract is a bargain. If he stays healthy and puts up goal production like the rest of his career, the contract is okay.

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01-20-2013, 03:18 PM
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to be fair hemsky HAD two bad shoulders.

So now we know why they were hurt.

lupul may continue to skag hunt
and
hemsky's shoulders could be reinjured.

does not reduce the fact there was a thread on \how bad the signing of hemsky was.

Now we have a contract:
1. for more money per season
2. for 3 yr longer term
3. for a more games lost player.
4. For a less productive player.
Read topics such as "post-operative sepsis" and then come back. No one wants to read your ignorant posts. Septicemia (ie. blood infection) post-back surgery has NO impact on a hockey player's physical ability post-event. Nor he at increased risk of redevelopment of sepsis once it is cleared. Chronic bilateral rotator cuff pathology has an incredible post-event physical impairment. Repeat injury to surgically repaired shoulders is significant. The health issues are not comparable.

And don't bother arguing with me with random google facts. I have far more education in the field of medicine.

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01-20-2013, 03:29 PM
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to be fair hemsky HAD two bad shoulders.

So now we know why they were hurt.

lupul may continue to skag hunt
and
hemsky's shoulders could be reinjured.

does not reduce the fact there was a thread on how bad the signing of hemsky was.

Now we have a contract:
1. for more money per season
2. for 3 yr longer term
3. for a more games lost player.
4. For a less productive player.
Lupul has played 120 games in the last 2 years, Hemsky has played 117.
Lupul had 67 points in 66 games last year, Hemsky had 36 in 69.

Hemsky hasn't been worth that much since 2009. Lupul was worth much more than that just last year. When it comes to assessing contracts, it's more what have you done for me lately than it is going back 5 years to argue productivity.

I will take Lupul over Hemsky all day.

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01-20-2013, 03:30 PM
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to be fair hemsky HAD two bad shoulders.

So now we know why they were hurt.

lupul may continue to skag hunt
and
hemsky's shoulders could be reinjured.

does not reduce the fact there was a thread on how bad the signing of hemsky was.

Now we have a contract:
1. for more money per season
2. for 3 yr longer term
3. for a more games lost player.
4. For a less productive player.
Unfortunate, there are no restrictions for the uninformed to post on HF.

To be fair we need a few corrections:

1. Lupul had back surgery and contracted an infection.

2. "For a less productive player" - Lupul had 67 points in 66 games last year. Hemsy had 36 points in 69 games.

3. Hemsky is soft as butter. He had 22 hits last year. Lupul had 110 in fewer games.

4. "For more money per season" - .25 million more is certain to make a world of difference - to the uninformed.

5. "For 3 yr longer term" - coming off a ppg season and only 29, the deal takes him through his prime years. Pretty sure he doesn't get that deal coming off a 10 goal and 36 point season.

Overall, I guess your posts could have an impact if someone was totally uninformed but for anyone that has a clue it's really a sad attempt.

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01-20-2013, 03:32 PM
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and he should? I don't see whats so funny...
Laich has the same complimentary offensive forward skill set, but brings a lot more to the table defensively and in other roles. Laich can be a stopgap top six center, or an excellent bottom six center. He can play a shutdown role, kill penalties, and take tough defensive zone assignments.

Lupul has about the same offensive potential as Laich, but isn't near the same player Laich is everywhere else on the ice.

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Laich hasn't scored 50 points in the last 2 years.
Because Laich's role changed. If he was still in a top six, complimentary winger role with 1st unit PP time, his numbers would be fine. Instead, he's been used more in a shutdown line role, with less time on the 1st PP unit.

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Read topics such as "post-operative sepsis" and then come back. No one wants to read your ignorant posts. Septicemia (ie. blood infection) post-back surgery has NO impact on a hockey player's physical ability post-event. Nor he at increased risk of redevelopment of sepsis once it is cleared. Chronic bilateral rotator cuff pathology has an incredible post-event physical impairment. Repeat injury to surgically repaired shoulders is significant. The health issues are not comparable.

And don't bother arguing with me with random google facts. I have far more education in the field of medicine.
Awwh yeah science

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Look for him to regress into Scottie Upshall

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That sounds about right, decent deal for both sides.

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Excellent work by Nonis.

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Look for him to regress into Scottie Upshall
lolwut??

upshall's career high is like 35 points

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Him getting injured is not a big risk... Why that keeps getting brought up is silly.

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I like the signing Lupes brings alot to the team,

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I'm torn on this. If you analyze and compare it to past contracts, it's poor..

However this probably secures a Kessel contract, keeps a 20 goal scorer on our roster and allows us to let the mediocre players (Mac/Bozak/etc) walk away.

It's too much and for too long, but he's an outspoken leader for us and his game should translate a la Danny Heatley as he ages. His shot won't go anywhere.

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I like this deal a lot. Lupul is a .9ppg player with the Leafs since they acquired him and has been rather consistent and has shown great chemistry with Kessel.

It is very difficult to find a veteran player who produces at this rate for the low 5mil range. Getzlaf and Perry are going to get more.

Term isn't bad either at 5 years. It definitely is manageable, at worst he regresses to a 2nd liner a few years from now but that's still not a terrible situation cap-wise.

Very low risk, imo. Lupul took a discount for an early payday. Works for both sides. Everyone knew he wanted to stay here given the fit. He's going to be a Leaf for a long time.

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Love it. Glad he's staying.

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to be fair hemsky HAD two bad shoulders.

So now we know why they were hurt.

lupul may continue to skag hunt
and
hemsky's shoulders could be reinjured.

does not reduce the fact there was a thread on how bad the signing of hemsky was.

Now we have a contract:
1. for more money per season
2. for 3 yr longer term
3. for a more games lost player.
4. For a less productive player.
Why do you think any one in this thread cares about what Hemsky got?

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