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01-20-2013, 05:28 PM
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Dion is a quality #1 defenseman. If you don't think he is, you don't know what you're talking about.

and he has earned more Norris votes in his career than most other defensemen.
The truth is Dion is as much a quality being Elite 1D as Grabovski is a 1C.

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01-20-2013, 05:31 PM
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Dion is a quality #1 defenseman. If you don't think he is, you don't know what you're talking about.

and he has earned more Norris votes in his career than most other defensemen.
Just cause he's a quality #1 defenseman doesn't mean you pay him like an elite superstar defenseman. Get your head on straight. He's been a negative player 4 times in his career and all 3 seasons he's been with the Leafs. He's averaged 35 points over the last 3 seasons split between the Flames and Leafs. That's terrible and not a $6.5 million dollar value. He's not even worth $4 million at that performance. LOL!!

He should take a paycut if he wants to continue playing for the Leafs after that type of play.

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01-20-2013, 05:32 PM
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The truth is Dion is as much a quality being Elite 1D as Grabovski is a 1C.
I disagree. Phaneuf puts up 45+ points for year, plays in all situations and logs more than 25 minutes per game as an NHL captain. Sounds like a good #1 defenseman to me. If he was playing in a market outside of Toronto and got paid around the $5-5.5 million he should, he'd be much more appreciated by NHL fans. The hate and unappreciation comes with playing here, unfortunately.

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Dion is a quality #1 defenseman. If you don't think he is, you don't know what you're talking about.

and he has earned more Norris votes in his career than most other defensemen.
Tied for 8th highest cap hit among NHL D-Men. Only perhaps 3 guys of those 9 can you argue that Phaneuf is equal or better than, Campbell,Bouwmeester and Boyle. No way he should make even more on his next contract with a league cap that is going down. This isn't hatred on my part just being realistic.

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Just cause he's a quality #1 defenseman doesn't mean you pay him like an elite superstar defenseman. Get your head on straight. He's been a negative player 4 times in his career and all 3 seasons he's been with the Leafs. He's averaged 35 points over the last 3 seasons split between the Flames and Leafs. That's terrible and not a $6.5 million dollar value. He's not even worth $4 million at that performance. LOL!!

He should take a paycut if he wants to continue playing for the Leafs after that type of play.
And his shots very inaccurate and he is often very slow and bad reading plays in his own end and requires an extremely good partner to cover his mistakes when he gets trapped and he shot the puck of grabs visor and scored even though grabs was 10ft away from the net.

Actually 4.5 sounds better

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Great news. Lupes is a big part of the team, and can actually handle the haters.


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The truth is Dion is as much a quality being Elite 1D as Grabovski is a 1C.
No, the truth is Dion has almost always put up elite numbers in an elite role his entire career, while Grabo never has.

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How much do you estimate it will take to extend Kessel and Phaneuf beyond the 13-14 seasons? I clearly pointed this out in my post.

10 million? I wonder if you misread my post. Kessel and Phaneuf are going to take less money? Really?
You suggested with re-signing Kessel and Phaneuf, the Leafs would be unable to sign other players and UFA's. I'm showing you, that you are incorrect.

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Just cause he's a quality #1 defenseman doesn't mean you pay him like an elite superstar defenseman. Get your head on straight. He's been a negative player 4 times in his career and all 3 seasons he's been with the Leafs. He's averaged 35 points over the last 3 seasons split between the Flames and Leafs. That's terrible and not a $6.5 million dollar value. He's not even worth $4 million at that performance. LOL!!

He should take a paycut if he wants to continue playing for the Leafs after that type of play.
elite superstar defensmen get $7-8m per year as UFA, not $6m.

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Dion is a quality #1 defenseman. If you don't think he is, you don't know what you're talking about.

and he has earned more Norris votes in his career than most other defensemen.
He has earned zero Norris votes in the past 3 seasons, which are the ones sane Leafs fans care about. Your post is so utterly devoid of meaning...

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elite superstar defensmen get $7-8m per year as UFA, not $6m.
But what does that have to do with Phaneuf?



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But what does that have to do with Phaneuf?



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Tied for 8th highest cap hit among NHL D-Men. Only perhaps 3 guys of those 9 can you argue that Phaneuf is equal or better than, Campbell,Bouwmeester and Boyle. No way he should make even more on his next contract with a league cap that is going down. This isn't hatred on my part just being realistic.
a whole crapload of the defensemen "better" than phaneuf with lower caphits have yet to reach UFA age.

they'll be getting big raises when they do.

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a whole crapload of the defensemen "better" than phaneuf with lower caphits have yet to reach UFA age.

they'll be getting big raises when they do.
Good. Perhaps the Leafs could sign one of them.

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He has earned zero Norris votes in the past 3 seasons, which are the ones sane Leafs fans care about. Your post is so utterly devoid of meaning...
He deserved them last year, but it's a good thing that he didn't, because thanks to his reputation being savaged as so many leafs' defensemen have before him, we should be able to get him on a sweetheart deal

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Do Leaf fans seriously expect to sign everybody under 5M?

The cap is now 60+ million, players will get paid accordingly.

I swear the Leaf fan base worries about every thing! They'll even worry if the Leafs suddenly changed their equipment manager.

The horror!? What if this equipment manager forgets somebody's jock!?

Lupul is a good deal if he plays the way he has shown he can, if he doesn't....LTIR!? Buy out in 2 years? There are tons of options.

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01-20-2013, 05:43 PM
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Good. Perhaps the Leafs could sign one of them.
leaf fans would savage most of them worse than they have Phaneuf, once they saw them up close game in and game out, and not just on highlight reels.

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No, the truth is Dion has almost always put up elite numbers in an elite role his entire career, while Grabo never has.
By elite you mean spearheaded one of the absolute worst defensive teams the past 3 year? Put up rather unremarkable numbers unless expected to pinch constantly and be scored against relentlessly only saving his + - by ensuring he is out when scoring lines are on.

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a whole crapload of the defensemen "better" than phaneuf with lower caphits have yet to reach UFA age.

they'll be getting big raises when they do.
Not with the new CBA they won't.

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Do Leaf fans seriously expect to sign everybody under 5M?

The cap is now 60+ million, players will get paid accordingly.

I swear the Leaf fan base worries about every thing! They'll even worry if the Leafs suddenly changed their equipment manager.

The horror!? What if this equipment manager forgets somebody's jock!?

Lupul is a good deal if he plays the way he has shown he can, if he doesn't....LTIR!? Buy out in 2 years? There are tons of options.
No we just expect to pay players at fair market value and not overpay every single player. I like the Lupul deal. Good value. Now that people are running their mouths about Phaneuf being worth more than $5 mill per... is another thing entirely.

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By elite you mean spearheaded one of the absolute worst defensive teams the past 3 year? Put up rather unremarkable numbers unless expected to pinch constantly and be scored against relentlessly only saving his + - by ensuring he is out when scoring lines are on.
By elite I mean putting up elite offensive, defensive, and physical numbers while playing elite minutes against elite competition, even while playing in front of some of the worst goaltending in the league.

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Do Leaf fans seriously expect to sign everybody under 5M?

The cap is now 60+ million, players will get paid accordingly.

I swear the Leaf fan base worries about every thing! They'll even worry if the Leafs suddenly changed their equipment manager.

The horror!? What if this equipment manager forgets somebody's jock!?

Lupul is a good deal if he plays the way he has shown he can, if he doesn't....LTIR!? Buy out in 2 years? There are tons of options.
I agree, not seeing much downside in this contract. It's only 5 years and he's a winger that so far can produce at a ppg. Even if his production drops in years 3-5 to something like .6ppg, it's still not the end of the world.

Besides, by then .6ppg players will probably be making 5mil anyway due to the cap increasing. It's a good deal. PPG wingers make far more than 5.25mil in UFA years.

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By elite you mean spearheaded one of the absolute worst defensive teams the past 3 year? Put up rather unremarkable numbers unless expected to pinch constantly and be scored against relentlessly only saving his + - by ensuring he is out when scoring lines are on.
Elite by consistently lining up against the top opposition and playing more than 27 minutes a night, while scoring in the top 10. So yes, elite.

Love to see a stat that shows hes scored on "relentlessly", when they actually show the opposite.

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He deserved them last year, but it's a good thing that he didn't, because thanks to his reputation being savaged as so many leafs' defensemen have before him, we should be able to get him on a sweetheart deal
Because NHL contracts are determined at least in part by what HFBoards had to say the year before, right?



He didn't get any Norris votes last year because he wasnt good enough. As he hasn't been for three years. And the year before that he received a total of five votes (for third place or lower), placing him in twelfth place out of 13, behind Wideman and only 1 point ahead of Sheldon Souray.

Phaneuf is a #1 defenseman for a very bad team that, until very recently, had zero depth on defense. There is a world of difference between being that and being an 'elite' defenseman.

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No we just expect to pay players at fair market value and not overpay every single player. I like the Lupul deal. Good value. Now that people are running their mouths about Phaneuf being worth more than $5 mill per... is another thing entirely.
Trust me. Lupul's contract is market value. He'd get 5.5M per season quite easily if he tried the market.

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