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01-20-2013, 06:31 PM
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Well, at the end of the day, the team can't be sure Luongo is dealt and if they keep both, they need to get both some starts. Luongo has traditionally played very well against EDM, and that was the plan from the beginning, so they are just sticking to plan.

I don't see a lot wrong with it. What if Schneider comes out and is horrendous again? That would be a debacle.
It just means we stick with Luongo until he ***** the bed, then come back to Schneider and hope he's got his game back on track.

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Except Luongo actually played more of the game last night.

So you have Schneider who actually played less and will be looking to bounce back.
My point is that it isn't just minutes played or games played. Performance has to be considered. You simply have to go with the better goalie. You can't play a goalie to get him out of a funk or to show that you are confident in him. You have to play the goalie that is playing the best.

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Seems to me the plan was to split the games all along. Schneids had his chance on game 1, got pulled. Lu has his chance today. If he craps the bed too, I have no doubt he'll get pulled just like Schneids was.

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01-20-2013, 06:33 PM
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My point is that it isn't just minutes played or games played. Performance has to be considered. You simply have to go with the better goalie. You can't play a goalie to get him out of a funk or to show that you are confident in him. You have to play the goalie that is playing the best.
You don't bench your number one because of 26 bad minutes.

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01-20-2013, 06:34 PM
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The thing is, Luongo didn't really play any better than Schneider and they both played about half of the game each...it doesn't make any sense to start Luongo now unless you are sheltering Schneider, which shouldn't be happening.

I understand we don't have a conventional goaltending tandem, but its been made pretty clear that Schneider is the new #1 guy in town, we'd better be sure we can count on him before we decide to trade away Luongo. That means he should be getting the tougher starts and being given the opportunity to bounce back after poor outings...if he stinks up tonight's game, start Luongo for a couple games and give Schneider a road start in SJ.
I agree, AV can't be tossing Schneider softballs like he did last year. Sink or swim.

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The thing is, Luongo didn't really play any better than Schneider and they both played about half of the game each...it doesn't make any sense to start Luongo now unless you are sheltering Schneider, which shouldn't be happening.

I understand we don't have a conventional goaltending tandem, but its been made pretty clear that Schneider is the new #1 guy in town, we'd better be sure we can count on him before we decide to trade away Luongo. That means he should be getting the tougher starts and being given the opportunity to bounce back after poor outings...if he stinks up tonight's game, start Luongo for a couple games and give Schneider a road start in SJ.
Schneider was poor. Luongo may not have been much better when he came it, but you have to remember that he came in when the game was over.

I don't think it is as clear as you are making it out to be.

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You don't bench your number one because of 26 bad minutes.
He's not the number 1, he's never been the number 1, and won't be the number 1 until the real number 1 is traded.

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You don't bench your number one because of 26 bad minutes.
It isn't a "benching". Vigneault likely was going to start Luongo regardless. I can't believe this decision is attracting this much attention.

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Schneider was poor. Luongo may not have been much better when he came it, but you have to remember that he came in when the game was over.

I don't think it is as clear as you are making it out to be.
I think its pretty clear...only one of these two guys is being talked about in a trade.

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He's not the number 1, he's never been the number 1, and won't be the number 1 until the real number 1 is traded.
I can't reply to the actual quote, but this is an indicator of why.

You can't pull your #1 after 26 minutes?
That guy has been here for as long as I can remember and he says that?

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It just means we stick with Luongo until he ***** the bed, then come back to Schneider and hope he's got his game back on track.
Could damage both their trade values if Lu goes on a tear. Teams would try to buy low on Schneider and purposely hold out on Luongo, knowing our cap situation.

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I think its pretty clear...only one of these two guys is being talked about in a trade.
Be that as it may, if Lu steals back the job. I find it difficult to trade him, especially if the offers do not improve. We have other goalies to take the reins when Lu retires and I would not be adverse to seeing him retire here. Of course, this assumes he reclaims the number one spot.

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I can't reply to the actual quote, but this is an indicator of why.

You can't pull your #1 after 26 minutes?
That guy has been here for as long as I can remember and he says that?
No kidding, 5 goals on 14 shots... sorry you're getting pulled no matter who you are.

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01-20-2013, 06:43 PM
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He's not the number 1, he's never been the number 1, and won't be the number 1 until the real number 1 is traded.
Schneider is the number 1. Luongo is his backup.

This is the new way of things.

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Canucker, I agree with you that Schneider should have to prove himself in those tough starts but as I saw it, Schneider let in 5 goals in 26 minutes on 14 shots and Luongo let in 2 goals in 34 minutes in 12 shots. I find it difficult to say Luongo was as bad as Schneider last night. I'll give him a mulligan on that, it was more an exhibition game than anything. But, he'll have to play like he did last year vs LA in the playoffs if he wants complete trust of management.

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Could damage both their trade values if Lu goes on a tear. Teams would try to buy low on Schneider and purposely hold out on Luongo, knowing our cap situation.
We shouldn't be basing our season on either goalie's percieved trade value. We need a #1 goalie we can count on for THIS season...if Schneider needs to wait another year to take the reigns, so be it...but we need to figure out who we're rolling with. If Schneider isn't ready, we'll find out soon enough and we can roll with Luongo.

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I can't reply to the actual quote, but this is an indicator of why.

You can't pull your #1 after 26 minutes?
That guy has been here for as long as I can remember and he says that?
No, you don't bench your #1 after 26 minutes.

Obviously you pull him in a situation like last night. But then he comes out the next game (or game after in this case) and gets right back to work.

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Canucker, I agree with you that Schneider should have to prove himself in those tough starts but as I saw it, Schneider let in 5 goals in 26 minutes on 14 shots and Luongo let in 2 goals in 34 minutes in 12 shots. I find it difficult to say Luongo was as bad as Schneider last night. I'll give him a mulligan on that, it was more an exhibition game than anything. But, he'll have to play like he did last year vs LA in the playoffs if he wants complete trust of management.
If you look at the goals Luongo let in, they were probably worse than any of the goals Schneider let in.

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01-20-2013, 06:47 PM
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I don't know how anyone could favour the Canucks in tonights game. Better team at home you'd think so but half of Edmonton's team has been playing in the minors all year and we're on the second night of a back to back on the first game of the season with a 6 day prep.

Oilers should dominate the league and will fall from grace onces everyone else catches up

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I think its pretty clear...only one of these two guys is being talked about in a trade.
I doubt Alain Vigneault cares all that much, and as a result, I don't think the fact that Gillis is entertaining offers for Luongo is all that relevant. Vigneault is going to coach the team he has. Right now he has both Luongo and Schneider.

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I doubt Alain Vigneault cares all that much, and as a result, I don't think the fact that Gillis is entertaining offers for Luongo is all that relevant. Vigneault is going to coach the team he has. Right now he has both Luongo and Schneider.
It doesn't change the fact that Schneider is at some point going to have to take the reigns and be treated like a #1 goalie. AV might be the coach, but he'd have to be a pretty ignorant guy to not understand that he might lose his #1B option and still not know if he can completely rely on his #1A to stand on his own.

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