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One of the Most Unbreakable Gretzky Records

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01-19-2013, 03:40 PM
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I will always be grateful i was fortunate to be born in a time where I got to see Wayne Gretzky play his first NHL game on TV.

I watched his whole career and I can tell you the guy made a total JOKE of the league. Sure the goaltending was weak, but it was the same goaltending Lafleur, Clarke, and Orr had.

Gretzky changed the way the game was played and I have no idea how long it will be until another guy comes along and totally changes the game by his will alone.

Maybe another 50 years.

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01-19-2013, 03:54 PM
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i think his point was that gretzky himself could not break gretzky's records today.

but maybe the more interesting question re: scoring levels w/r/t era is if 80s gretzky had never existed and an 18 year old gretzky came into the league today, could he break the records that would belong to mario? without thinking too hard about it and scrutinizing the numbers, my gut says yes but just barely.
Hard to say. Put the same passion, dedication, and talent through four years of a modern development and conditioning program, and wonder what the end result might look like by 18 years old, playing relatively obstruction-free hockey... Where's the limit, really?

If anyone could have predicted the utmost heights Gretzky would eventually hit, someone would have figured how to stop/slow him down many years earlier. Pretending to be able to predict the heights someone like that could reach under any new set of conditions would almost imply that one could understand how the hockey brain of someone like Wayne Gretzky solves problems, and then gets his body to react in all the right ways.

Guess it's true of any cross-generational comparison, really. What they used to the most advantage under one set of circumstances might not be the same under another. Players with more/better "tools" should be productive under the wider range of conditions, though. I think Gretzky qualifies as having more/better tools than the average dude.

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01-20-2013, 03:15 PM
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50 in 39 has got to be the toughest. We barely see 50 in 80 nowadays

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01-20-2013, 03:43 PM
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Gretzky scored a total of 3,239 points in his career, regular season and playoffs combined.

The maximum number of games a player can play during a single campaign, barring a trade, is 110 (82+28).

If a player played 29 seasons, playing the maximum number of games possible in each, and scored 1 point in every single one of those games (3,190), that player would STILL fall 39 points short of TYING Gretzky, not surpassing him.

For the record, Gretzky played 1,544 less games than he had points (1,695).

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01-20-2013, 05:08 PM
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Gretzky scored a total of 3,239 points in his career, regular season and playoffs combined.

The maximum number of games a player can play during a single campaign, barring a trade, is 110 (82+28).

If a player played 29 seasons, playing the maximum number of games possible in each, and scored 1 point in every single one of those games (3,190), that player would STILL fall 39 points short of TYING Gretzky, not surpassing him.

For the record, Gretzky played 1,544 less games than he had points (1,695).
Think of all the multi-point games needed ON TOP of playing no worse than PPG for the rest...

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01-20-2013, 06:41 PM
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IMO the most shocking Gretzky statistic is that, as of the end of the 2011-12 season, Gretzky single-handled scored or assisted on 1% of every regular season goal in NHL history.

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06-27-2017, 12:14 PM
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Well, at first Lemieux broke Gretsky's PPG record, but Gretzky got it back after Marios comeback from retirement.
you've got facts to back that up?

umm no you dont cause your dreaming

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06-27-2017, 12:35 PM
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you've got facts to back that up?

umm no you dont cause your dreaming
It's pretty easy to verify

http://www.hockey-reference.com/lead..._progress.html

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06-27-2017, 01:23 PM
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I think Gretzky's most impressive record is his 8 consecutive Hart trophies, and 9 in 10 years.

Look, we don't know how hockey will develop.Maybe at some point the whole structure would change, or someone would come up and beat teams in some unknown fashion that will change how hockey is played, and offense will return.Maybe in this hypothetical future, someone could beat Gretzky's season totals.But with the Hart, it's about who's the best player in the game, and about being so clearly the best that even voters fatigue can't cheat you out of a Hart for 8 seasons straight.

To win 8 Harts, you must be very healthy throughout your prime.You must conclusively beat your usual competition (the 2nd-5th best players throughout the entire span), but also conclusively beat all the players that have an outlier year (and they always come up), all the while fighting against voters fatigue.It is an unbelievable feat.

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06-27-2017, 02:02 PM
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I like the fact that Wayne is the fastest and second fastest player to reach 1000points. (1 to 1000 then 1001 to 2000). Even Mario couldnt score 1000 points as fast Wayne scored his second 1000points. Its insane.

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06-27-2017, 02:51 PM
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There's so many crazy Gretzky records and facts. The most mind-blowing one to me is this:

If Gretzky never scord a single goal throughout his entire career...he would still be first in all-time points.

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06-27-2017, 03:22 PM
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There's so many crazy Gretzky records and facts. The most mind-blowing one to me is this:

If Gretzky never scord a single goal throughout his entire career...he would still be first in all-time points.
Is that right?!!!!

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06-27-2017, 06:57 PM
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I like the fact that Wayne is the fastest and second fastest player to reach 1000points. (1 to 1000 then 1001 to 2000). Even Mario couldnt score 1000 points as fast Wayne scored his second 1000points. Its insane.
This is one of my favourite Gretzky stats as well. The crazy part is -- almost to prove it was not luck -- he scored his 2nd 1000 points in almost the same number of games as his first 1000 points. Ridiculous.

His playoff PPG average is also insane. He demolishes everyone. That is the easiest measure to prove he's the best ever.

And, of course, scoring 163 assists (more points than anyone else had ever scored at the time......with his assists alone ????). And popping in a 50 goal season to go along with it almost as an afterthought, lol.

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06-27-2017, 10:36 PM
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Craziest Gretzky records:

-- had a 59-goal, 124-point season entirely on home ice (1981-82)

-- scored 50 points in one month (November, 1983)

-- six times scored 40 or more points in one month (Lemieux did this once)

-- 44 times scored thirty or more points in one month (Lemieux did this 13 times; Yzerman 3 times; Jagr 3 times)

-- achieved a 100-point season on December 18th, 1983; won the 1984 scoring title on January 7th

-- Scored the fastest 1000 points in history. Then, scored the 2nd-fastest 1000 points in history the second time he did it.

-- Went +98 in 1984-85 season, and then went +28 in 18 playoff games, for a combined +126 in 98 games

-- Had a 65-goal season if he hadn't scored a single goal on the power-play

-- His 163 assists in a season is 43% better than the 2nd-best player's in history. (Gretzky beat that 2nd-best player's assist-total seven times and tied it once.) Led the NHL in assists 13 seasons in a row (would have been more but for 1992-93 injury).

-- In the 1980s (1980-81 through 1989-90), outscored the 2nd-best scorer in the NHL (Stastny) by 800 points. (Stastny was -12, Gretzky +559.)





Can't remember now, but didn't he win, like, 4 scoring titles on even-strength points alone?

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06-27-2017, 10:48 PM
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you've got facts to back that up?

umm no you dont cause your dreaming
What? You dug up this years old post just to say that? I should have worded it better, but my point was that at certain time Lemieux was the leading career PPG player but he lost it to Gretzky after Lemieux came back from retirement.


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06-27-2017, 11:06 PM
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Flip a coin

163 assists or 50 goals in 39 games

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50 in 39 has got to be the toughest. We barely see 50 in 80 nowadays
It's the one that Gretzky himself usually mentions. The one earlier poster said that his hardest record to beat will be the actual number of records he set - 61. This is probably true. Someone will come along and dislodge the odd record here and there, but such a peak and prime performance over a sustained period is unlikely to happen again. My favourite is the four 200 point seasons. I was hoping so badly that Lemieux would do it at least just once, but then he has to go and miss a few games enroute to his 199 point season. Oh well.

The other thing that makes the 61 records so unbreakable is the "perfect storm" situation in which it happened. You need 5 Hall of Fame caliber players to start their careers within a few seasons of each other, and a more scoring-friendly league at the same time.

Gretzky - Kurri - Messier - Coffey - Fuhr

It would be almost like having

Crosby - Kane (Ovechkin is too good) - Malkin - Karlsson - Lundqvist

start their careers together on one team, in an environment conducive to high scoring. Mind boggling.

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06-27-2017, 11:16 PM
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47 points in 18 playoff games in 1987 is only like the 30th most impressive Gretzky stat.

In the last 20 years the only players to break 30 points are:

Malkin 36 in 24 games in 2009
Crosby 31 in 24 games in 2009
Briere 30 in 23 games in 2010

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Lets not bring up pure numbers, that gives him an unfair advantage. Leading the league in things and whatnot is where its at.

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What? You dug up this years old post just to say that? I should have worded it better, but my point was that at certain time Lemieux was the leading career PPG player but he lost it to Gretzky after Lemieux came back from retirement.
While that is true, it doesn't mean anything.

The only reason Lemieux was ahead in the first place is that Gretzky played many more post-prime games to lower his PPG average.

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While that is true, it doesn't mean anything.

The only reason Lemieux was ahead in the first place is that Gretzky played many more post-prime games to lower his PPG average.
I know. But there was a time when Lemieux was all-time leader in career PPG. He took it from Gretzky. That's a fact and that's the only thing I'm saying. Not implying he's better or anything. Just that there was a time when Lemieux held the 1st place as career PPG goes.

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Is that right?!!!!
Gretzky had 1963 assists, Jagr is 2nd in all time points with 1914.

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No he didn't. I said you have to get 100 assists AND lead the league in assists. Gretzky lead the league that year.
They tied

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163 assists in 85-86 is the most mind-numbing stat in all of sports, to me.

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They tied
I was corrected on the first page four years ago.

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