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Oh good page 3, aka "that guy we're trying to trade for but not improve your roster isn't that great anyway so you should just give up on him"
1.OP is not a Blue Jackets fan.
2.Tarasenko is a great talent, but he's inconsistant and sucked in every game he's played for the national team.
3.You are not that good at generalizations.
I am okay with agreeing to disagree on this but the only reason those two were on a "different level" is due to the fact not as many people had the same amount of information about Tarasenko as they did for Hall and Seguin.
Nobody is calling him "the next Malkin", all we are saying is that we are (rightfully) very high on the kid and he provides us with what we need the most. Trading him, whether he had the game he had or not, makes zero sense to us as a hockey club.
I do agree that Columbus would have probably avoided him like the plague, and any further argument about where he would have been drafted is just opinion and I think we have already all addressed that.
I really do think he has more value right now than any player not in the NHL, especially to us
That's great but the point I am trying to make is that Columbus would not be adding to Murray because they have no incentive to move him. They believe him to be a franchise defenseman just as the Blues view Tarasenko as a top center.
They would not be the ones initiating the trade. I don't know who the OP is a fan of but he doesn't represent Columbus asking for Tarasenko. It looked like the Blues asking for Murray.
Ultimately it is a stupid trade proposal made at an even stupider time.
The Blues are a team contending for the Cup this year. There's no way they'd trade a star offensive player for a guy who won't play at all this season. In the offseason, this would be a different story.
Bingo. if the Blues trade for a d-man they look for someone established and probably a deadline pickup. They don't want someone who is at least a year off if not two or three.
1.OP is not a Blue Jackets fan.
2.Tarasenko is a great talent, but he's inconsistant and sucked in every game he's played for the national team.
3.You are not that good at generalizations.
I seem to remember him being a captain and team leader to the Russia World Junior team that was able to mount a comeback against a very strong Canadian team IN Canada.
Second of all, we are not trading him anywhere within the Western Conference much less within the Central Division (if he SOMEHOW got traded).
Technically, that doesn't necessarily rule out the Jackets in the future.
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Ultimately it is a stupid trade proposal made at an even stupider time.
QFT.
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1.OP is not a Blue Jackets fan.
2.Tarasenko is a great talent, but he's inconsistant and sucked in every game he's played for the national team.
3.You are not that good at generalizations.
I seem to remember him being a captain and team leader to the Russia World Junior team that was able to mount a comeback against a very strong Canadian team IN Canada.
There's a difference between junior and national teams. And that WJC final game is a good example of Tarasenko's inconsistency - 2 periods of mediocrity and 1 period of brilliance. The kid got talent. So does Zherdev. Too many things about Tarasenko remind me of Kolja. I could be wrong, but there's a lot of reasons for concerns.
Quick question...The **** does national team performance have to do with the NHL? He can suck it up from the 4th line all he wants, as long as he does what he needs to do with the Blues.
That's great but the point I am trying to make is that Columbus would not be adding to Murray because they have no incentive to move him. They believe him to be a franchise defenseman just as the Blues view Tarasenko as a top center.
They would not be the ones initiating the trade. I don't know who the OP is a fan of but he doesn't represent Columbus asking for Tarasenko. It looked like the Blues asking for Murray.
Ultimately it is a stupid trade proposal made at an even stupider time.
You are right on all three accounts.
I suppose they have equal value to their respective teams so the club asking for the trade would more than likely be the ones to add
There's a difference between junior and national teams. And that WJC final game is a good example of Tarasenko's inconsistency - 2 periods of mediocrity and 1 period of brilliance. The kid got talent. So does Zherdev. Too many things about Tarasenko remind me of Kolja. I could be wrong, but there's a lot of reasons for concerns.
Datsyuks inconsistent. He had 3 bad periods last night.
Tarasenko has a lot more heart than Zherdev. Thats the difference
There's a difference between junior and national teams. And that WJC final game is a good example of Tarasenko's inconsistency - 2 periods of mediocrity and 1 period of brilliance. The kid got talent. So does Zherdev. Too many things about Tarasenko remind me of Kolja. I could be wrong, but there's a lot of reasons for concerns.
Majoring in minors eh?
If you're intelligent enough, you can always find something negative.
Hall and Seguin were on a different level from Tarasenko in his draft year. It's understandable that Blues fans are at a fever pitch about the kid and they are way high on him. However, they need to give it time before proclaiming him the next Malkin or savior of the franchise. That's completely premature. He may have jumped ahead a few spots, but I'm convinced Columbus would have stuck with Johansen, Florida would have stuck with Gudbranson, Boston with Seguin, and Edmonton with Hall. After all the problems that Russians have caused Columbus, there's no way he would have been drafted 4th.
One of the major positives for Murray is the fact that he is already very far in his development. This is only a minor bump and is no more significant than Yakupov and Galchenyuk's injuries last year. It doesn't affect his value, especially to the Blue Jackets. If someone is to ask for Murray, they need to assume that his value is that he's the 2nd best player in the 2012 draft and hasn't gone down because that's how Scott Howson views it.
Taylor Hall and Tyler Seguin are both excellent players with a great NHL future. But during the Tarasenko was right behind them in terms of offensive ability and development. Heck, some scouts said Seguin was further behind than Tarasenko in terms of development. Bob McKenzie, in all of his love for Canadians, was caught saying that Tarasenko was the most NHL-ready prospect in the draft. Quite literally the only reason he fell down to 16th overall was because of his signability, but that isn't a problem anymore.
You can try and convince people Murray is the better player because of his draft ranking, but that doesn't lead a very convincing argument considering how relatively weak the 2012 draft was. I'm sure Murray will become an excellent top 4 defencemen and I wish the Blue Jackets the best of luck with their team of young and developing prospects. Heck, it may not seem like it, but I really do like Murray, much more than Reilly in fact. But I think that the idea that Tarasenko is less valuable than Murray isn't
true, and I think a lot of Blues fans and non-Blues fans would agree with me on that.
Oh, and about the idea that Tarasenko isn't very consistent because he didn't score "7 out of the last 9 games" when he was in Russia. I'm pretty sure Malkin doesn't score every time he's on the ice, does that mean he's inconsistent? The guy still ended up with a PPG play in the KHL. One has to be pretty darn consistent to be a PPG player in a professional league like the KHL, especially considering he's 20 or 21.
That's great but the point I am trying to make is that Columbus would not be adding to Murray because they have no incentive to move him. They believe him to be a franchise defenseman just as the Blues view Tarasenko as a top center.
I suppose they have equal value to their respective teams so the club asking for the trade would more than likely be the ones to add
No no no. This isn't right, because in this scenario, no one 'wins' in a pretend deal that neither team wants to make.
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Hall and Seguin were on a different level from Tarasenko in his draft year. It's understandable that Blues fans are at a fever pitch about the kid and they are way high on him. However, they need to give it time before proclaiming him the next Malkin or savior of the franchise. That's completely premature. He may have jumped ahead a few spots, but I'm convinced Columbus would have stuck with Johansen, Florida would have stuck with Gudbranson, Boston with Seguin, and Edmonton with Hall. After all the problems that Russians have caused Columbus, there's no way he would have been drafted 4th.
One of the major positives for Murray is the fact that he is already very far in his development. This is only a minor bump and is no more significant than Yakupov and Galchenyuk's injuries last year. It doesn't affect his value, especially to the Blue Jackets. If someone is to ask for Murray, they need to assume that his value is that he's the 2nd best player in the 2012 draft and hasn't gone down because that's how Scott Howson views it.
International Scouting services had Tarasenko ranked 1st for euros and 4th overall. NHL scouting service had him 2nd among euros and 4th overall. Go back and do some research almost every analyst said he would have gone a lot higher if he was not Russian. Also you cannot say if he wasnt russian he might have gone higher but CLB still would not have drafted him bc they have problems with russians.
Datsyuks inconsistent. He had 3 bad periods last night.
Tarasenko has a lot more heart than Zherdev. Thats the difference
Datsyuk example is just silly. I won't explain why. Earlier I brought examples and stats that Tarasenko was inconsistent for his KHL teams and consistently bad for the national team over the last 2 years.
And the heart argument is not truth. Zherdev got a lot of heart. He cares and worries about his team, but he just depends on his inspiration too much. Same goes to Tarasenko.
BTW I didnt know that Buffalo is in Canada
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I seem to remember him being a captain and team leader to the Russia World Junior team that was able to mount a comeback against a very strong Canadian team IN Canada.
Can we reserve judgement for "consistency" after say...3 years? It's been one game, he could not score again for the rest of the season it's unlikely but so is him being a top player in the NHL. Wait and watch.
How has Tarasenko been inconsistent in the KHL the past 2 seasons? You can even check out his playoff stats. They speak for themselves and even more when you take into account the amount of playing time he received.
How has Tarasenko been inconsistent in the KHL the past 2 seasons? You can even check out his playoff stats. They speak for themselves and even more when you take into account the amount of playing time he received.
I'll try to settle this. I don't weight anyone's opinion like I weight my own that I've formed of him over the past 2+ years. Why? I trust what the Blues organization and professional scouts have to say about Tarasenko. GM of the year Doug Armstrong not only said he's ready, but seems genuinely excited about him. Coach of the year Ken Hitchcock has told people, most notably Darren Pang, that Tarasenko is ready, smart, and more than willing to put in the work. Every respectable hockey analyst/website recognizes him as a top prospect who's ready to compete for a Calder. What are the naysayers credentials again?
Can we reserve judgement for "consistency" after say...3 years? It's been one game, he could not score again for the rest of the season it's unlikely but so is him being a top player in the NHL. Wait and watch.
You make it sound like Blues fans are saying he is a consistent NHL scorer because of last night. We are not claiming that and last night has nothing to do with our view of him.
