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01-20-2013, 08:05 PM
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He made 28 though. 50 is double.
28 points, but with a very high ratio of goals to assists. 16 goals and 12 assists.

How many third line centers around the NHL are more productive than that?

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01-20-2013, 08:16 PM
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The habs have problems at center, on the top-6 wings, in the bottom-6, and on the D ... basically everywhere except goaltending.

DD as a 1st line center is part of the problem not the solution. He might be good as an offensive winger, but not as a 1st line center.
Agreed.

Still, DD isn't garbage. Not sure where the bashing comes from.

I understand the whole basic idea, but blaming him for the organization's stupid decisions is a bit low level. He's a sick passer with a tremendous vision and despite his size he puts up solid numbers. I don't care if he's 1st or 2nd line center, as long as he produces i'm happy.

I know our team suck, I know we're gonna suck for at least 3 other years. We gotta live with it and rebuild from the D and up. Most fans fail to recognize that.

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01-20-2013, 08:18 PM
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I've been saying that since early last season. DD is weak defensively and weak on the puck, he needs to be on the wing. Give the damn Damn some time and let him flourish with DD at his wing.

Cole-Plekanec-Bourque
Patches-Eller-DD
Would be two great lines.
Another initiative would be to trade some quantity for a bit of quality.
It's pretty much obvious we have one winger in spare. Be it Bourque, Gionta or Armdog and if Chuck is ready this year we also have one center in spare, be it Plekanec, DD or Eller. We have some good spare parts on defense too.
Weber, Bourque(even if he looked good.), Gionta, Armstrong, Kaberle could be used for either a rental or a long term acquisition. Me think's top 4 defense.

So we'd be left with
Patches, Plekanec, Cole, DD, Eller, Chuck, Moen, BG? and two of gionta/armstrong/bourque to slot into our top 9.

And for the record, I really think Chuck can make it and be effective this year.

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01-20-2013, 08:21 PM
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IMO this is Desharnais' last year with us. Build around this for next year:

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - _________

Cole - Plekanec - Bourque

Moen - Eller - Gallagher

Prust - _________ - White


Gorges - Subban

Markov - Emelin

Tinordi - Diaz

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01-20-2013, 08:23 PM
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I've been saying that since early last season. DD is weak defensively and weak on the puck, he needs to be on the wing. Give the damn Damn some time and let him flourish with DD at his wing.

Cole-Plekanec-Bourque
Patches-Eller-DD
Would be two great lines.
Another initiative would be to trade some quantity for a bit of quality.
It's pretty much obvious we have one winger in spare. Be it Bourque, Gionta or Armdog and if Chuck is ready this year we also have one center in spare, be it Plekanec, DD or Eller. We have some good spare parts on defense too.
Weber, Bourque(even if he looked good.), Gionta, Armstrong, Kaberle could be used for either a rental or a long term acquisition. Me think's top 4 defense.

So we'd be left with
Patches, Plekanec, Cole, DD, Eller, Chuck, Moen, BG? and two of gionta/armstrong/bourque to slot into our top 9.

And for the record, I really think Chuck can make it and be effective this year.
Can't disagree with this.

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01-20-2013, 08:28 PM
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Terrible timing for a thread like this imo. There are 213432 problems before DD as a top 6 center on this team, IF it even is a problem. I don't think it is.
Exactly, so maybe it makes sense in that way. By the time DD being a top 6 center is the most important issue for us to address, it would mean we've already shored up a lot of other issues.

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01-20-2013, 08:34 PM
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People talking this this team's 60 point centre is the issue here.

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01-20-2013, 09:03 PM
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I have no problem with Desharnais in a top six if he's there as an offensive specialist a la Briere.

Thing is you need two solid two-way centers and a good winger depth (Like Buffalo and Philadelphia did when they were going deep in the playoffs with Briere) if you want to build a good team that way.

I don't doubt he's a gifted playmaker but I have severe reservations about him as an all round center.

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01-20-2013, 09:07 PM
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So it took one game re-start this conversation.

This issue has been analyzed from all angles already.... we're just going in circles at this point.

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So it took one game re-start this conversation.

This issue has been analyzed from all angles already.... we're just going in circles at this point.
This is a message board, what do you expect ?

If you're not happy/Don't have any opinion just go on another thread.

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01-20-2013, 09:17 PM
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This is a message board, what do you expect ?

If you're not happy/Don't have any opinion just go on another thread.
Oh look, the internet police is out. Sorry, sir. You can continue to go in circles if you like. It was just an accurate observation that I pointed out, and it will continue until Desharnais is no longer a member of this club.

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01-20-2013, 09:51 PM
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what i liked the most about the lockout: the *****y drama queens were nowhere to be seen.

good times.

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I like Desharnais too! But I bet he'll be the one to go once Galchenyuk is ready to take 1C. Pleks will be 2C and Eller 3C. I hope come june, we start drafting 6'1+ guys.

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The habs have problems at center, on the top-6 wings, in the bottom-6, and on the D ... basically everywhere except goaltending.

DD as a 1st line center is part of the problem not the solution. He might be good as an offensive winger, but not as a 1st line center.
Offensive winger, what are you talking about?

what part of the problem? the DD line totaled 186 pts last year, that's what you should expect from a 1st line in an hockey team. 186 pts has not been surpassed for a 1st trio since 2008 when we finished 1st in the east.


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01-21-2013, 12:36 AM
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Nothing new under the sun...

Hab fans always pick apart a player and want him out. Then when he somehow succeeds with another team, they wonder why on earth we ever let him go.

With Desharnais, the argument is that he got his points with our two best wingers, as if Patches and Cole are all world players. It would be fitting to see him traded to the Hawks and put up a point per game between Hossa and Sharpe.

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01-21-2013, 12:45 AM
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Trading DD would be a mistake. I see him as part of the answer, not the problem.

It is too bad he isn't faster, but I don't see anything wrong with having a guy like that in the line-up, especially on the PP. Give DD 2 top end wingers, and he will help them more than he would hurt. Defensively, I don't think he's a liability like many of you are suggesting. Most important about DD is that he's an elite play-maker, and I would never give-up someone like that easily.

If there's anyone that looked like they might hold that line based on 1 game, I would say it might be Cole. He looked like he lacked the jump he had last year (grant it, 1st game). If he does show less speed this year I think he'd be better off on the 3rd line as the season progresses to give room for a younger guy to grow his game.

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Time to make Eller the 1st line center, play him 20 minutes and give him good wingers. He got size and he's the only one who didn't get rid of the puck in 1 second like it was a hot potato last game.

Maybe I'm overrating the guy but I think he's the real deal.

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01-21-2013, 01:02 AM
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Time to make Eller the 1st line center, play him 20 minutes and give him good wingers. He got size and he's the only one who didn't get rid of the puck in 1 second like it was a hot potato last game.

Maybe I'm overrating the guy but I think he's the real deal.
Sounds like a fantastic reason to make someone a 1st line centre...

Of course, he'll be playing with two wingers who got rid of the puck in one second like it was a hot potato, so what's the point?

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Sounds like a fantastic reason to make someone a 1st line centre...

Of course, he'll be playing with two wingers who got rid of the puck in one second like it was a hot potato, so what's the point?
Sorry I meant to say: he was the only center who didn't get rid of the puck in 1 second like it was a hot potato*.

Anyway, this is Lars Eller's time to shine. The guy is a ****ing boss.

brb not taking **** from Danielle Briere


brb 4 goals, 5 points in a game


brb destroying his fellow countryman


brb looking like a ****ing tank


brb only 23 and already a husband and dad

70 point season for Eller if put in a position to succeed. You heard it here first. Guy is a ****ing beauty. Wouldhusband/10

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Offensive winger, what are you talking about?

what part of the problem? the DD line totaled 186 pts last year, that's what you should expect from a 1st line in an hockey team. 186 pts has not been surpassed for a 1st trio since 2008 when we finished 1st in the east.
Well...we haven't had a real dominating offensive 1st line in...well, around two decades maybe more...

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Totally disagree, what need is a defense...
i agree dd is just not that good of a player they need to trade him if anybody will take him.

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i agree dd is just not that good of a player they need to trade him if anybody will take him.
Great contribution...

You're right, this great Habs team needs to get rid of it's 60 point centre because we have an abundance of productive top 6 forwards.

At least if you want to trade him, present an argument of how we would improve as a team based on his absence.

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Sorry I meant to say: he was the only center who didn't get rid of the puck in 1 second like it was a hot potato*.
No, you were right the first time. If you are basing your decisions on the past game, Patches and Cole should be sent to the AHL immediately. If anyone handled the puck like a hot potato it was those two.

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people tend to highlight more lack of strength in compare to lack of creativity because one is more obvious on the ice. DD brings a much needed creativity among our forwards in the short term.He might not be the long term #2C of this franchise but for now his presence is needed, maxpac breakout was because of this guy.I agree with a lot of you it would be a great idea to move him to the wing,but we dont have anyone to center the second line. I think AK's loss also affected the creativity in the team, you need to create unexpected scenario for the opponent D. Talking about DD leads to Eller, I think this year's team performance relies on Eller, if Eller fails to deliver and progress this team will choke its pretty obvious they are gambling big time on Eller.People debating about if Eller can be 2nd line, its too early for now (this year) he should prove he's top quality 3rd line center, thats his job to ship in terms of goals but more importantly perform consistently on off and def through this short season.

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Yes we lack some grittiness, and our main issue will be scoring goals, If PK gets signed and Markov stays healthy I'm OK with our D because we have Price between the pipes.
I'm not overreacting to our home opener, look at our team, we will not make playoffs, book it. But it just seems this franchise always trys to patchwork things together, I mean Prust and Armstrong? this will solve our team toughness problem? doubtfull, no team is afraid to play us. Add to that not being able to score. Our one chance is if we can get the PP clicking like we have in past years, and players like Markov, Kaberle, Gionta, Patches, PK could potentially do that.

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