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01-20-2013, 09:45 PM
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Something needs to be done. Whether it be a signing or trade, this is quickly becoming an annoying sideshow and it would be absolutely unfortunate if this sideshow is affecting play. I really hope O'Reilly realizes just how much he is apart of the team and tells his agent to stuff it and sign a contract.

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01-20-2013, 09:49 PM
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There's not a chance in hell they'd give up Johansen, let alone add, for O'Reilly.
I don't see it, I've never seen it with this guy.

He has potential but I see him topping out as a decent #2 and that's if all goes according to plan.

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Something needs to be done. Whether it be a signing or trade, this is quickly becoming an annoying sideshow and it would be absolutely unfortunate if this sideshow is affecting play. I really hope O'Reilly realizes just how much he is apart of the team and tells his agent to stuff it and sign a contract.
It was kind of funny watching the Altitude broadcast last night, I was wondering if they were going to mention O'Reilly AT ALL. Then in between periods, I heard a brief mention of it by Kyle Keefe, something along the lines of "he's not on the team, so we're not going to talk about him" or something like that.

Until that point, I wasn't sure if a gag order was in effect and then I quickly realized, it was. lol

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Something needs to be done. Whether it be a signing or trade, this is quickly becoming an annoying sideshow and it would be absolutely unfortunate if this sideshow is affecting play. I really hope O'Reilly realizes just how much he is apart of the team and tells his agent to stuff it and sign a contract.
His agent is doing what O'Reilly pays him to do: make money.

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His agent is doing what O'Reilly pays him to do: make money.
Good for O'Reilly. He'd make money if he played hockey in Colorado too. I'm sure he wouldn't go hungry or homeless living on $3 million a year or $4 million a year.

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Good for O'Reilly. He'd make money if he played hockey in Colorado too. I'm sure he wouldn't go hungry or homeless living on $3 million a year or $4 million a year.
He is making money now. Outside Colorado.

No, he wouldn't go hungry or homeless accepting a lower amount than what he may be asking...but, so what?

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01-20-2013, 10:17 PM
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Good for O'Reilly. He'd make money if he played hockey in Colorado too. I'm sure he wouldn't go hungry or homeless living on $3 million a year or $4 million a year.
I agree. Thats why using that logic I say we offer $700K instead!
He won't be hungry or homeless.

Heck! Forget $700K lets just offer him minimum wage.

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Something needs to be done. Whether it be a signing or trade, this is quickly becoming an annoying sideshow and it would be absolutely unfortunate if this sideshow is affecting play. I really hope O'Reilly realizes just how much he is apart of the team and tells his agent to stuff it and sign a contract.
It was a sideshow before the season started because there wasn't anything else going on. Now it's no big deal. Everyone has a lot of NHL games to focus on on.

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If you can't come to an agreement, the best way is just to make it a one year for 3 million is pretty fair for both parties, IMO. ROR stays a RFA and Ryan gets to prove he is worth 3.5+.

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ROR for Brassard?

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I wouldn't do that.

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ROR for Brassard?
I wouldn't do it. ROR is much better than Brassard.

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I don't see it, I've never seen it with this guy.

He has potential but I see him topping out as a decent #2 and that's if all goes according to plan.
I think it'll be a couple years before it's evident. He needs to fully physically develop first, but he's getting there. He gained the weight, but now he needs to learn to play with it. Then he needs to beef up his conditioning. His endurance is the only thing that worries me.

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This is so annoying. Not only does Ryan refuse to sign a fair contract. He has such a crazy demands and a contract in KHL for another year that his value on the trade table drops massively.

How much could we get back for a Russian O'Reilly demanding to get $5M a year to play?

The day we do trade O'Reilly, which I think will happen, I think alot of people will get very disappointmeny in how little we will get back for him.

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Folks, let's make sure that we refer to him by his preferred spelling of his name...Rayan O'Rayli. I know some of us are bitter, but let's not get petty.

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I agree. Thats why using that logic I say we offer $700K instead!
He won't be hungry or homeless.

Heck! Forget $700K lets just offer him minimum wage.
Because that's exactly what I was inferring, paying him minimum wage
If our season does implode I hope O'Reilly is watching from Russia, seeing his teammates getting lit up while he does the "right" thing and holds out for an extra million. Course I would rather the team do great without him as a big "stay in Russia we don't need you" statement.

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Here's what I don't understand, perhaps most of all. Why don't the Avs just match his KHL contract? It was rumored he's making around 4mil, right? If that's the case, match it for two years (basically one year at this point) and tell him if he wants more to earn it the old fashioned way.

He'll be back to RFA pretty quickly and we can start this all over again at that point.

But to have him in the KHL doesn't help us or him. At this point it's just silly. Sign his brother if that's what it takes, LEM could use the help.

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But to have him in the KHL doesn't help us or him. At this point it's just silly. Sign his brother if that's what it takes, LEM could use the help.
Yes, let's offer O'Reilly a family package. His father being a well known "life coach" as well, great. Perhaps he could become official team phychologist?

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Everyone has already agreed his dad's comments are crazy.

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Here's what I don't understand, perhaps most of all. Why don't the Avs just match his KHL contract? It was rumored he's making around 4mil, right? If that's the case, match it for two years (basically one year at this point) and tell him if he wants more to earn it the old fashioned way.

He'll be back to RFA pretty quickly and we can start this all over again at that point.

But to have him in the KHL doesn't help us or him. At this point it's just silly. Sign his brother if that's what it takes, LEM could use the help.
The Avs won't match the KHL offer because under those circumstances, the player wins. His little ploy to put the screws to the organization would have worked and it paves the way for future RFAs to hold out to get what they want as well.

Since he's chosen this path and turned down reasonable (but not exceptional) offers from the team, I think they'll leave him there the entire 48 game season just so he's no closer to UFA status than he was before. Then he'll be traded at the draft or over the summer.

His brother probably earns over $1M over in Russia and while I don't think he'd bring less to the table then say Kobasew as a depth player, he certainly would stay in Russia to earn 5-10x more than he would in the AHL.

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Everyone has already agreed his dad's comments are crazy.
I don't think he comes up with the stuff himself. I think he buys it from a Chinese idiom factory.

Some of it is just gibberish

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The Avs won't match the KHL offer because under those circumstances, the player wins. His little ploy to put the screws to the organization would have worked and it paves the way for future RFAs to hold out to get what they want as well.

Since he's chosen this path and turned down reasonable (but not exceptional) offers from the team, I think they'll leave him there the entire 48 game season just so he's no closer to UFA status than he was before. Then he'll be traded at the draft or over the summer.

His brother probably earns over $1M over in Russia and while I don't think he'd bring less to the table then say Kobasew as a depth player, he certainly would stay in Russia to earn 5-10x more than he would in the AHL.
I guess I just view it a little differently. Signing in Russia wasn't so much a ploy to me as it was his way of playing with his brother. While I don't agree with the decision, I sympathize with him as I too would want to play with my brother if in his shoes.

Can it really hurt to give him 500k more short term? I suppose it depends on what the negotiation room is like with Sherman.

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Can it really hurt to give him 500k more short term?
No, but now I'm afraid the situation is much more complicated than "just" 500K extra / season.

It's a shame it has gone this far. Perhaps both O'Reilly's agent and Avalanche management thought the lockout would last longer and didn't work hard enough to close the deal in time. Now the whole negotiation probably is infected and stressful, I fault both parties for this.

Don Meehan has represented many star players during the years, that's for sure, now he is representing Ryan O'Reilly and yes, Meehan is as a tough one. Hmmm, I wonder how much percentage Meehan will get from the contract?

I have said this many times. But what worries me the most is actually the owners and how much they are willing to spend on the team, I have had my doubts several seasons. I believe Dater has written a couple of articles about this too.


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