Add in more stable ownership to actually KEEP these players around (both drafted and acquired) and it hurts to think about what could have been, when you consider all the Blues drafted talent from that period.
On the home-grown side, Brind'Amour, Gilmour, Mullen, Emerson, Hedican, Ronning and Joseph added with the likes of acquisitions such as Hull, Oates, Stevens, Brown, Janney, Shanahan, Pronger and Fuhr?
Wasn't Shanny a FA acquisition? Which cost us Stevens as compensation?
Add in more stable ownership to actually KEEP these players around (both drafted and acquired) and it hurts to think about what could have been, when you consider all the Blues drafted talent from that period.
On the home-grown side, Brind'Amour, Gilmour, Mullen, Emerson, Hedican, Ronning and Joseph added with the likes of acquisitions such as Hull, Oates, Stevens, Brown, Janney, Shanahan, Pronger and Fuhr?
True. Still, with a better management group, that whole situation might have gone smoother.
Perhaps we lock both Shanny and Stevens up for multiple years along with everyone else mentioned?
Whoops.
Shanny and Stevens never player played together because we lost Stevens as compensation for the signing of Shanny. A total crime. That would be like the Cardinals signing Holliday as a FA and losing Pujols as compensation. Stevens was that good. We offered a Brindamour package as compensation, which should have been plenty. Imagine Shanny and Stevens together on the Blues with Hull?
Shanny and Stevens never player played together because we lost Stevens as compensation for the signing of Shanny. A total crime. That would be like the Cardinals signing Holliday as a FA and losing Pujols as compensation. Stevens was that good. We offered a Brindamour package as compensation, which should have been plenty. Imagine Shanny and Stevens together on the Blues with Hull?
That's what I was mostly trying to get at. There was no way to somehow get both Shanahan and Stevens?
What if we waited until he was an UFA? I remember the whole situation having to do with him being restricted.
And yes, imagine your top three defensemen being MacInnis, Stevens and Pronger throughout the 90s.
Our offer was Brind'Amour, Curtis Joseph and two 2d round draft picks. This was easily sufficient payment for Shanahan, who averaged as a forward the same 50 pts/yr that Stevens was putting up on defense when this whole thing went down. It was the worst injustice of my sports lifetime. Totally corrupt situation.
Our offer was Brind'Amour, Curtis Joseph and two 2d round draft picks. This was easily sufficient payment for Shanahan, who averaged as a forward the same 50 pts/yr that Stevens was putting up on defense when this whole thing went down. It was the worst injustice of my sports lifetime. Totally corrupt situation.
The thing that hurt St. Louis in this deal as I recall was that the ridiculous contract that we gave Shanahan was very similar to Stevens. That didn't help matters any. Besides the package we offered for Shanahan was a supreme overpayment. Blues management screwed this up either way. Shanahan was one of my favorite players, but this was just a really dumb move for the compensation and payout. Shanahan had a 29 and a 30 goal season under his belt at the time. Yes he panned out, but how many players don't or get hurt?
Tops on my interest list for next training camp (in under 9 months!) is seeing how Jaskin looks compared with NHL men.
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The thing that hurt St. Louis in this deal as I recall was that the ridiculous contract that we gave Shanahan was very similar to Stevens. That didn't help matters any. Besides the package we offered for Shanahan was a supreme overpayment. Blues management screwed this up either way. Shanahan was one of my favorite players, but this was just a really dumb move for the compensation and payout. Shanahan had a 29 and a 30 goal season under his belt at the time. Yes he panned out, but how many players don't or get hurt?
In fairness to Blues mgmt, in their wildest dreams they never considered the compensation for Shanahan would be Stevens, and while many players don't pan out you can't discredit them for actually turning out to have been right that Shanahan's best days were ahead of him and for a long time.
It's a bit ironic since I remember being as high on Jaskin as anyone at the time of his drafting, but I think the next level will be more of an adjustement for him than many would anticipate given his current success. He's not going to be able to physically dominate fully grown and developed men at the next level to the extent that he can his current competition. Between that and the changes in speed, it could still be three years or so before he's a full-time NHLer.
I remember several on here being really pumped when the Blues picked him.
I went back through some of the old threads just to see what we were saying about him. Turns out I actually guessed the Blues would come away with him at one point. Totally forgot about that.
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I have this sneaking suspicion that the Blues will walk away with one of Jaskin, Jenner, or Jurco at the draft (or even Jensen if he somehow falls out of the first round).
Some good reads from back in the day: 2011 Entry Draft Thread starting on the page of the Rattie pick. Execwrite thought we might actually take Jaskin there. Old draft threads are always an interesting read.
In this Team Board Mock Draft Poll Execwrite and I were the only two who thought the Blues might go with Jaskin at 32 (Rattie was already picked in the mock at #30).
I went back through some of the old threads just to see what we were saying about him. Turns out I actually guessed the Blues would come away with him at one point. Totally forgot about that.
Some good reads from back in the day: 2011 Entry Draft Thread starting on the page of the Rattie pick. Execwrite thought we might actually take Jaskin there. Old draft threads are always an interesting read.
In this Team Board Mock Draft Poll Execwrite and I were the only two who thought the Blues might go with Jaskin at 32 (Rattie was already picked in the mock at #30).
While you can't hold all prospects to the same timetable, Jaškin will be the same age at the start of next season and Schwartz and Tarasenko would have been at the start of this. Not as skilled as Schwartz, but more physically ready.
Depending on the make up of the team at the start of next season, he might have an outside shot. Then again, I just dread the possibility of promising prospects playing in Peoria. I really hope things improve there and that changes though.
The dude is flat out too good for the Q. Who's spot does he take on the Blues if he pans out? Stewart/Perron or does he take Andy Mc's place in a few years.
The dude is flat out too good for the Q. Who's spot does he take on the Blues if he pans out? Stewart/Perron or does he take Andy Mc's place in a few years.
If he adjusts well, he'll replace whoever prices himself out of the team's plans in a few years.
