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01-20-2013, 10:36 PM
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I guess it's a good thing the game isn't about who's got the winning personality eh? Cry me a river.
OPs question was "why the scrutiny". I answered. Your feelings about my answer are irrelevant.

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01-20-2013, 10:37 PM
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He has a reputation for being cocky and lazy.

Wether it's warranted or not I'm not sure.

Leaf fans have historically loved gritty, hard working players.
Funny given that he actually seems to be active in all areas of the ice.

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01-20-2013, 10:41 PM
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kadri is a beast, going to show he is the real deal

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Funny given that he actually seems to be active in all areas of the ice.
I'm not calling him lazy.

But remember Eakins calling him out for showing up to camp less than prepared.

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01-20-2013, 10:47 PM
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Q. Why so much scrutiny and hate for Kadri?

A. It's Toronto.

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01-20-2013, 10:51 PM
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OPs question was "why the scrutiny". I answered. Your feelings about my answer are irrelevant.
About as irrelevant as your feelings for Kadri, no?

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01-20-2013, 10:52 PM
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I'm not calling him lazy.

But remember Eakins calling him out for showing up to camp less than prepared.
I never said you were.

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01-20-2013, 10:53 PM
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About as irrelevant as your feelings for Kadri, no?
And as irrelevant as anyone's opinion here.

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It almost seems like every poster on here has an agenda against one specific player on the Leafs
With Connolly gone I'm really in flux. Think I'll stay on the hate sidelines for a while.

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And as irrelevant as anyone's opinion here.
Personally I think we should just call it a day. Shut the whole thing down.

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01-20-2013, 10:58 PM
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In some weird world, many people believe he was given a lot of chances and failed. he was a bust.

Cherry is correct, this is his first real chance. The Leafs have really screwed up with him badly.

He has a potential of being a very good second line Centre. The idea of switching him to the wing was asinine.
It's great that people finally see that. I remember being the only guy here touting how he should not be on the wing to the dismay of all the people who had completely swallowed the story that he could only make it on the wing.

But you're right. It was asinine.

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01-20-2013, 11:20 PM
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What hate? In the other Kadri thread, you've got guys in there claiming he should be the first-line centre already, and hoping he takes Bozak's job. If anything, Kadri's always been seen by most posters here as a lock for stardom. I've seen posters going back two years claiming he'd be 60-70 points in his first season, should be the number one centre, should replace Bozak or MacArthur or anybody else, etc.

Kadri's just the latest kid who can do no wrong, the latest future sure-fire star coming after Steen, Schenn, and Kulemin. It's insane how Leafs fans always seem to pick one or two players and insanely overvalue them.

I don't much care for Kadri, personally. I don't see much reason for the love. He's got potential, but he is a selfish player, not great defensively, small and fairly easily knocked off the puck, and not good on draws. I don't see him as an NHL centre. At least not a good one. I could see him developing into a top-six winger, if he's coachable enough to listen and learn.

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01-20-2013, 11:45 PM
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What hate? In the other Kadri thread, you've got guys in there claiming he should be the first-line centre already, and hoping he takes Bozak's job. If anything, Kadri's always been seen by most posters here as a lock for stardom. I've seen posters going back two years claiming he'd be 60-70 points in his first season, should be the number one centre, should replace Bozak or MacArthur or anybody else, etc.

Kadri's just the latest kid who can do no wrong, the latest future sure-fire star coming after Steen, Schenn, and Kulemin. It's insane how Leafs fans always seem to pick one or two players and insanely overvalue them.

I don't much care for Kadri, personally. I don't see much reason for the love. He's got potential, but he is a selfish player, not great defensively, small and fairly easily knocked off the puck, and not good on draws. I don't see him as an NHL centre. At least not a good one. I could see him developing into a top-six winger, if he's coachable enough to listen and learn.
This is exactly what OP is talking about. You just trash him with all those things that are completely unwarranted.

-What has he done to earn the reputation of being selfish?
-Have you seen his defensive game with the Marlies and how much it has improved?
-Why don't you trash 90% of the offensively gifted kids that come into the NHL with flawed defensive games?

Facts:
-He's not small, he's average NHL size for his position, 6'0 and 185 lbs.
-He's much stronger on the puck than he used to be when he first came up, again like most rookies who have to adjust from playing against kids to playing against men.
-He is grittier than most players on the Leafs, and isn't afraid to throw the body. He had 4 hits in under 10 minutes of play against Montreal. If a player averages 4 hits per game, he likely leads the NHL in hits.

The problem is, you and many posters like you have these ignorant stubborn impressions that you refuse to adjust. If a guy happens to do something bad in the one game you pay attention, you will always point to that one bad example. Go take a look at how NHL prospects develop, it's a miracle Kadri is where he is today with all the negativity he's received.

You don't see this on any other team's forum, no other team has so many guys who continuously trash their best offensive prospect. Even guys with flaws are defended, to the point of blind homerism by their fans, except Kadri. Go to the Habs board and ask them why Lois Leblanc is where he is. Or to the Oilers board about MPS. Or to the Flyers board about Brayden Schenn. Or to the Islanders board about Neiderreiter. I could go on and on with examples. None of these guys are busts yet. And they will all support and defend their guys and tell you so.

I just can't wait until you and all the haters continue to eat crow.

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01-20-2013, 11:51 PM
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Why does he get the scrutiny?


Because he's not Milan Lucic with Datsyuk-like hands, Toews' defense, Stamkos' shot and Crosbys production.

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01-20-2013, 11:53 PM
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Because Leaf fans have a strange habit of using good players as a scape goat while quietly decent players are praised.

Think about the current roster, the ones who get ragged on:
Kessel, Phanuef, Kadri, Reimer
- players that are either stars or young guys who have shown glimpses of talent but have at some point hit a bump in a row

Players that are praised:
Lupul, Gunnarsson, Kulemin
- Important players on the team no doubt but are not really seen as players that will carry the team so they are not scrutinized.

Weird phenomenon.

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He has a reputation for being cocky and lazy.

Whether or not its warranted I'm not sure.

Leaf fans have historically loved gritty, hard working players.
I think that is the reason in his first year. You have to prove yourself first before you can act that way. Even if you prove it it wears thin very quickly. It appears he dropped that act long ago but first impressions stick.

Time to move on and cheer him on and enjoy his creativity

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This is exactly what OP is talking about. You just trash him with all those things that are completely unwarranted.

-What has he done to earn the reputation of being selfish?
-Have you seen his defensive game with the Marlies and how much it has improved?
-Why don't you trash 90% of the offensively gifted kids that come into the NHL with flawed defensive games?

Facts:
-He's not small, he's average NHL size for his position, 6'0 and 185 lbs.
-He's much stronger on the puck than he used to be when he first came up, again like most rookies who have to adjust from playing against kids to playing against men.
-He is grittier than most players on the Leafs, and isn't afraid to throw the body. He had 4 hits in under 10 minutes of play against Montreal. If a player averages 4 hits per game, he likely leads the NHL in hits.

The problem is, you and many posters like you have these ignorant stubborn impressions that you refuse to adjust. If a guy happens to do something bad in the one game you pay attention, you will always point to that one bad example. Go take a look at how NHL prospects develop, it's a miracle Kadri is where he is today with all the negativity he's received.

You don't see this on any other team's forum, no other team has so many guys who continuously trash their best offensive prospect. Even guys with flaws are defended, to the point of blind homerism by their fans, except Kadri. Go to the Habs board and ask them why Lois Leblanc is where he is. Or to the Oilers board about MPS. Or to the Flyers board about Brayden Schenn. Or to the Islanders board about Neiderreiter. I could go on and on with examples. None of these guys are busts yet. And they will all support and defend their guys and tell you so.

I just can't wait until you and all the haters continue to eat crow.
awesome, thanks!

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Kadri fans, what's his upside supposed to be if everything pans out?

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Kadri fans, what's his upside supposed to be if everything pans out?
the guy who can go through the team, make a flashy move and go top shelf


ultimate playmaker like Datsuyk

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One of my biggest pet peeves is other fan bases praying that players will "bust". It amazes me how sad people are that they have to hope someones career never pans out because they don't want to see a rival team have a key member. It truly is pathetic.

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I think he either gets a ton of love or a ton of hate. Two sides of the spectrum here for sure. Realistically I think he still has a good chance at being a great second liner and first PP unit player. 50-65 pts a year when he puts it together.

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I love Nazem and I think he'll be a great player for this team. I'm happy he's finally getting a decent chunk of NHL time. I think he was somewhat mismanaged by Wilson but I don't think its had any damage on his progression.

Looking forward to a full season of him with the big boys.

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In some weird world, many people believe he was given a lot of chances and failed. he was a bust.

Cherry is correct, this is his first real chance. The Leafs have really screwed up with him badly.

He has a potential of being a very good second line Centre. The idea of switching him to the wing was asinine.
The idea of switching to wing was far from asinine and many would say we have been very patient with him actually and developing his overall game in the AHL.

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Kadri fans, what's his upside supposed to be if everything pans out?
As a long-time Kadri supporter, I'd say 40-60 point 2nd line center. PP specialist with "elite chirp game".

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I'm not basing this on yesterday's goal, I'm simply basing it on the fact since day 1 he has shown he has very good skills ("magic hands") and has a bite to his game. Now, whether he becomes a solid 65 point+ player or a bust is besides the fact.

Where I'm getting at is Luke Schenn was drafted 5th overall, was loved by most fans but didn't pan out well here. And, when he was traded there just a general reaction of "meh", oh well, what can you do, good luck Luke.

Morgan Reilly, drafted 5th overall as well, would've been drafted higher by Burke according to him doesn't even get a 5 game tryout despite some lofty comparisons and the general reaction again was "meh", let him develop in junior more (not that I disagree).

Kadri on the other hand, since day 1 in his first training camp, the majority of Leafs fans on here and the media have been all over this guy. From radio hosts saying he will be working at the local Home Depot to printing pictures of him with a pacifier in his mouth (was that Zuckerberg the idiot, again?).

So, what gives? Obviously there is some hate for the guy despite being drafted lower than others and not even hyped as much considering that year he was expected to go around 12th overall. Many of the guys behind him in the draft (remember MSP?) aren't exactly stars either yet and certainly not ligthing up the league. Just wondering where/why much of the unfounded and unwarranted hate for the guy comes from. Its like many Leafs fans want him to be a bust.
The reason is because people like you keep bringing up threads with titles like this, threads that openly invite anyone with an opinion or ill spirited thing to say about the guy to say it. So essentially see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil and ignorance is bliss.

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