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01-21-2013, 01:38 AM
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I guess as a Canucks fan I might have made the deal a little sweeter for the Canucks, so how about that 4th rounder for the Avs gets turned into a 2nd rounder?! Now the trade looks pretty even...

to col: Ballard, Ebbett, 2nd round pick

to VAN: Landasbog, Paranteau, 1st round pick
Please stop making proposals with little thought towards the other team.

Landeskog was just named captain, and Parenteau was just signed as a free agent. Neither are going to be traded anytime soon, regardless of the atrocious value offered.

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01-21-2013, 01:41 AM
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Curious to what Nucks fans want for Ballard? He isn't offensively gifted, but we need him for a defensive role and decent skating.

Avs have ton of depth defensemen, so one of them would probably go back.

Also Canucks would have to keep 1.4 to 1.6 million of his salary as well.
Make an offer, before this turns into another hilarious overshot value thread. At present, he's contributing and not looking bad at all, but if we get fair value, we're probably ok moving him. I'd be, ideally, looking to package him up for a top six forward to play with Kesler/Booth when they are back in game shape.

We currently have 9 defenders (Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler, Garrison, Ballard, Tanev, Alberts, Barker and Vandemeer) on our roster...we need no depth defender coming back at present unless they edge out the last three by a pretty significant margin.

Actual salary, I'd be more then happy to retain if it raised the asking price. Cap space however we can't afford, especially for a player we aren't using.

You've heard our unrealistic requests, what were you thinkin', OP?

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01-21-2013, 01:41 AM
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Ballard has been steadily improving in all aspects of his game. Top 2 on a lot of teams, top 4 on Canucks, and would be a great addition to an optimistic Avalanche team...

to col: Ballard, Ebbett, 4th round pick

to VAN: Landasbog, Paranteau, 1st round pick
Terrible for the Canucks. Ebbett is a once-in-a-lifetime kind of player.

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01-21-2013, 01:42 AM
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I guess as a Canucks fan I might have made the deal a little sweeter for the Canucks, so how about that 4th rounder for the Avs gets turned into a 2nd rounder?! Now the trade looks pretty even...

to col: Ballard, Ebbett, 2nd round pick

to VAN: Landasbog, Paranteau, 1st round pick


A little? I'd say a **** ton in your favour. Just because you bumped a couple of rounds of draft picks doesn't make your offer any better. In fact, it's still ****.

Landeskog >>>> Ebbett
(can't really judge Parenteau since I haven't seen him play as an Av, but he's done pretty well as an Islander and is easily more favoured to perform better than Ballard would)
1st round pick > 2nd round pick

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01-21-2013, 01:45 AM
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Think someone is missing the sarcasm...

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01-21-2013, 01:48 AM
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A little? I'd say a **** ton in your favour. Just because you bumped a couple of rounds of draft picks doesn't make your offer any better. In fact, it's still ****.

Landeskog >>>> Ebbett
(can't really judge Parenteau since I haven't seen him play as an Av, but he's done pretty well as an Islander and is easily more favoured to perform better than Ballard would)
1st round pick > 2nd round pick
Everyone knows Parenteau's career has been heading downhill for years now. He might bolster the Canucks' 4th line. And Ballard's feisty top 2 minutes on Colorado PLUS Ebbett's know-how skills easily are comparable to losing Landesbog.

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01-21-2013, 02:01 AM
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Please stop making proposals with little thought towards the other team.

Landeskog was just named captain, and Parenteau was just signed as a free agent. Neither are going to be traded anytime soon, regardless of the atrocious value offered.
How can you not tell that it was a sarcastic proposal?

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In all honesty we will probably have to trade him for not much/waive him (I am in agreeance with the opinion that he would not be bought out as he would not pass waivers) due to cap issues at the end of the year.

We'd probably need a D back as he's actually fulfilling a useful role for us at the moment, the only issue being the fact that we have 4 other D-men being paid more.

So in light of all that:

Ballard

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Cameron Gaunce

Would be willing to throw in 3rd/4th depending on how high Avs fans are on Gaunce.

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01-21-2013, 02:51 AM
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In all honesty we will probably have to trade him for not much/waive him (I am in agreeance with the opinion that he would not be bought out as he would not pass waivers) due to cap issues at the end of the year.

We'd probably need a D back as he's actually fulfilling a useful role for us at the moment, the only issue being the fact that we have 4 other D-men being paid more.

So in light of all that:

Ballard

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Cameron Gaunce

Would be willing to throw in 3rd/4th depending on how high Avs fans are on Gaunce.
i'd be down for that. i'm also not as high on gaunce as other avs fans.

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I don't think Ballard is going to fetch second line talent, but maybe a gritty third liner could be a benefit. If we are going to do that, why not include one of our depth forwards for a bottom pairing D to come back as well. That way both teams maintain roster size. I'd be happy with a Ballard & Ebbett trade for Downie & Barrie.

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01-21-2013, 03:26 AM
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I don't think Ballard is going to fetch second line talent, but maybe a gritty third liner could be a benefit. If we are going to do that, why not include one of our depth forwards for a bottom pairing D to come back as well. That way both teams maintain roster size. I'd be happy with a Ballard & Ebbett trade for Downie & Barrie.
That would be quite the steal for us.

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I don't think Ballard is going to fetch second line talent, but maybe a gritty third liner could be a benefit. If we are going to do that, why not include one of our depth forwards for a bottom pairing D to come back as well. That way both teams maintain roster size. I'd be happy with a Ballard & Ebbett trade for Downie & Barrie.
No way do I do that if i'm Colorado.

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I don't think Ballard is going to fetch second line talent, but maybe a gritty third liner could be a benefit. If we are going to do that, why not include one of our depth forwards for a bottom pairing D to come back as well. That way both teams maintain roster size. I'd be happy with a Ballard & Ebbett trade for Downie & Barrie.
Not even close from Colorado.

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I don't think Ballard is going to fetch second line talent, but maybe a gritty third liner could be a benefit. If we are going to do that, why not include one of our depth forwards for a bottom pairing D to come back as well. That way both teams maintain roster size. I'd be happy with a Ballard & Ebbett trade for Downie & Barrie.
Absolutely terrible.

Damn do Nucks fans ever overvalue their players, on par with Leafs fans it looks like.

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I don't think Ballard is going to fetch second line talent, but maybe a gritty third liner could be a benefit. If we are going to do that, why not include one of our depth forwards for a bottom pairing D to come back as well. That way both teams maintain roster size. I'd be happy with a Ballard & Ebbett trade for Downie & Barrie.
Shocker.

So since Downie was essentially traded for a 1st round pick, which of Ballard or Ebbett has that kind of value? Is it superstar "I can't stick on one team for more than a half season" Ebbett or "holy crap I have a horrible contract for what I bring to the table" Ballard? Just curious. Also, to add one of our best d-man prospects as well 'to balance things out' is ridiculous.

Avs have ZERO interest in either player. Ebbett because he's not much of an upgrade over what we have and Ballard because he would become our highest paid d-man on our roster.

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Your offer is bad and you should feel bad. You're terribly overrating Ballard considering the Canucks usually run Hamhuis - Bieksa and Edler - Garrison (IIRC), therefore Ballard hasn't even seen much top-4 time and is regularly playing as bottom pairing d-man. And you have the audacity to say he would be "a great addition to an optimistic Avalanche team?" (especially when you're trading garbage for Avalanche's Calder winner Captain and a decent forward?)

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A little? I'd say a **** ton in your favour. Just because you bumped a couple of rounds of draft picks doesn't make your offer any better. In fact, it's still ****.

Landeskog >>>> Ebbett
(can't really judge Parenteau since I haven't seen him play as an Av, but he's done pretty well as an Islander and is easily more favoured to perform better than Ballard would)
1st round pick > 2nd round pick




incidentally landasbog >>>> landeskog

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I don't think Ballard is going to fetch second line talent, but maybe a gritty third liner could be a benefit. If we are going to do that, why not include one of our depth forwards for a bottom pairing D to come back as well. That way both teams maintain roster size. I'd be happy with a Ballard & Ebbett trade for Downie &
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So you want Downie and our best D prospect? Yes, I'm sure you would be happy with that. You can keep your overpaid defensman. No one will give you a return even close to that.

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seriously though, anyone have a scouting report on ryan o'byrne? i remember from watching him a few times last year that he looked like an excellent shot blocker and really solid defensive guy. i mean, shades of scuderi.

but did i just catch o'byrne at his very best and/or the canucks at their shin-pad-shooting-at-on-the-PP-iest?

if o'byrne is close to as solid as i think he is, which ideally is what ballard brings (shot blocking, hits, battle) except without the skating ability but also without the crazy blind bieksa passes, would avs fans be willing to make that trade?

local boy too, and obviously a much more palatable contract for a third pair guy. RH shot and as big as alberts.

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Ballard is a bad player with a terrible contract. No thanks.

It's funny so many Canuck fans bash him on their board and say he shouldn't be in the line up and then come here and ask for Ryan O'Reilly in return.
Haha agreed, he isn't worth near ROR, and he's more offensive the defensive. He might help the Avs a little since their D is atrocious but let's be real, his contract sucks and he's just plain bad. At most he's worth a 3rd.

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Most likely Vancouver would want O'Brien back but a straight O'Brien for Ballard swap could work. Vancouver would save $2.2M/year for the next two and a half season and get a third pairing guy back.

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seriously though, anyone have a scouting report on ryan o'byrne? i remember from watching him a few times last year that he looked like an excellent shot blocker and really solid defensive guy. i mean, shades of scuderi.

but did i just catch o'byrne at his very best and/or the canucks at their shin-pad-shooting-at-on-the-PP-iest?

if o'byrne is close to as solid as i think he is, which ideally is what ballard brings (shot blocking, hits, battle) except without the skating ability but also without the crazy blind bieksa passes, would avs fans be willing to make that trade?

local boy too, and obviously a much more palatable contract for a third pair guy. RH shot and as big as alberts.
No, he is pretty much always like that. He is incredibly underrated around here. Trading him for Ballard does not really help us IMO. Would rather not trade him.




And Freudian, I don't think anyone wants O'Brien

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Most likely Vancouver would want O'Brien back but a straight O'Brien for Ballard swap could work. Vancouver would save $2.2M/year for the next two and a half season and get a third pairing guy back.
Been down that road and couldn't wait to ship him out.

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I'd rather shop elsewhere, ex-Avs burn us wayyyy too frequently to send someone inter-division.

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I'd rather shop elsewhere, ex-Avs burn us wayyyy too frequently to send someone inter-division.
With the divisions likely changing next year, it is possible (however unlikely) that Vancouver won't be in the same division as the Avs. Of course, I'm expecting the Pacific and Mountain time zone teams to be an 8 team division (assuming a return to 4 divisions), so it's still a no for me.

As for Ballard, I wouldn't give up any roster players for him. He's a mid-round pick at best, maybe as high as a 2nd if Vancouver keeps some salary.

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Just out of curiosity - what would Avs fans want for the rights to ROR from Vancouver?

Extremely unlikely I know, and we may not have the pieces to get it done. Keep in mind that a holdout RFA's rights are worth less than the signed player....

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