It's set at 64.3M next year, but I think it changes with revenue after that.
That makes sense.
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Just a small point. You may want to check your numbers on Petry from 2014 onward. I doubt you will ge him for $250K.
I actually think that your numbers show that the Oilers cap situation is in decent shape. But I also think that they do show why a buyout for Horcoff is more likely than many of us might have thought 6 months ago.
haha, what a greedy *****.
Yeah, that adds another 2 Million to the Oilers cap in 2014-15
You could hope your teams captain has a bounce back season. And its a possibility with a more skilled team.
No one player is going to be able to take the team on their shoulders.
I'm done hoping Horcoff can live up to his contract. I just hope he's better than -23 this year and can win over 50% of the face-offs he takes. I'm not saying Horcoff can't make a positive contribution, it's just that the contribution he makes can be made by other vets around the league.
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They will not be over the cap if he is not bought out next summer. The numbers that Oilgauge posted includes a substantial amount of bonuses. They have the full bonus cushion to work with.
There is also the fact that we don't even know what next year's roster might be yet, so there is still plenty of time for making moves.
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according to cap geek the Oilers will have $15m in cap space for next year. pretty much middle of the road when it comes to space.
There are a lot of teams who won't be able to spend much at all next year when you look at their current salary spend compared to the cap.
Chicago $4.8m space 4 players to sign.
Philidelphia $5.6m space 4 players to sign.
Boston $7m space 5 players to sign
Tampa $7.4m space 6 players to sign
Montreal $8m space 5 players to sign
Vancouver $8.9m space 8 players to sign
That is surely going to lower the money going to players quite a bit going into free agency.
Some teams have a lot of space (6 teams with over $30m) but without checking their key RFAs and UFAs it's hard to judge how they will spend it.
I expect Nuge, Schultz and Yakupov to hit those bonuses. It's time for us to compete, the lottery team portion of the rebuild is over and these guys aren't going to come cheap. Neither will the right support players. It's just that with $15M or $16M to sign 12 guys things are going to get tight unless Horcoff is gone and we have $20.5M to work with. Buying him out makes a substantial difference.
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The Oilers simply aren't going to use an accelerated buyout on him and pay 48 games of a full cap hit for a player to play on another team. They just reaffirmed him as captain, and are ready to go into the season with him on the roster, injury risk or not - it's not happening.
Not to mention with this management group, it's up in the air if they'll use a buyout on Horcoff over the next two years at all, no matter how much sense it makes.
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Suck it up and traded an injured player along with a draft pick. Pick up part of his salary is also an option. Also if the player is that injured LTIR becomes an option.
Need to realize that you buy him out right now it's 8mil in real cash that Katz has to pony up. Not exactly chump change.
That's what this is really about imo. I really see this point being much more important to the Oilers than his performance. Horcoff is replaceable but they don't want to spend the real dollars to get rid of someone who can still contribute. I think if you want to protect yourself and the potential long term success of the franchise, spend the money and chalk it up to a KLowe mistake and move on. There's a new CBA landscape now and we've got 3 more stars to sign to long term deals. I'd rather get some support guys signed with the little money we'll have left so we can compete long term. Horcoff doesn't fit in that picture and we can't hide his contract in the minors anymore.
BTW I liked Brad May's suggestion that we pick up Jason Arnott and play him in a reduced 3rd line role. He could be a great pick up and we know he'll definitely be a leader on this team.
I expect Nuge, Schultz and Yakupov to hit those bonuses. It's time for us to compete, the lottery team portion of the rebuild is over and these guys aren't going to come cheap. Neither will the right support players. It's just that with $15M or $16M to sign 12 guys things are going to get tight unless Horcoff is gone and we have $20.5M to work with. Buying him out makes a substantial difference.
It is not easy to hit all of a player's bonuses. But that is not really the point. The fact that they have the bonus cushion in place gives them time to deal with their cap structure. It would be easy to tweak the roster that Oilgauge presented and get it very close to the cap so at the very worst you may be risking a carry-oer the next year of a couple 100 K.
Bottom line is , there is no chance what so ever that the Oilers would have even considered buying out Horcoff right now. Right now he has a role on the team, and the optics of a move like that would be horrendous. Moreover, your fear that he might be injured and therefore could not be bought out in the summer is not sufficient reason to make such a move right now.
The chances of an injury impacting him in the summer is pretty low. Let say les than 10%. But even if it happens. They still have plenty of options including trading him to a team with los of capspace.
It is not easy to hit all of a player's bonuses. But that is not really the point. The fact that they have the bonus cushion in place gives them time to deal with their cap structure. It would be easy to tweak the roster that Oilgauge presented and get it very close to the cap so at the very worst you may be risking a carry-oer the next year of a couple 100 K.
Bottom line is , there is no chance what so ever that the Oilers would have even considered buying out Horcoff right now. Right now he has a role on the team, and the optics of a move like that would be horrendous. Moreover, your fear that he might be injured and therefore could not be bought out in the summer is not sufficient reason to make such a move right now.
The chances of an injury impacting him in the summer is pretty low. Let say les than 10%. But even if it happens. They still have plenty of options including trading him to a team with los of capspace.
Who cares about optics? Do you really think Edmonton fans are going to cry about losing Shawn frickin Horcoff? Most will probably cheer! And with the shortened season and playing 4 games a week on average the chances of Horcoff getting injured is substantially higher IMO.
Who cares about optics? Do you really think Edmonton fans are going to cry about losing Shawn frickin Horcoff? Most will probably cheer! And with the shortened season and playing 4 games a week on average the chances of Horcoff getting injured is substantially higher IMO.
This has nothing to do with Oiler fans. The optics are bad for the guys on the team and for players outside the organization. Buying him out now because you are afraid he might get hurt would be a bush league move. You don't need the cap space right now and for wht it is worth he is the teams captain.
As to the last point...Last year they played their last 48 games in a period of 103 days. This year they play 48 games in 98 days. I doubt that the chances of injury are that much greater.
This has nothing to do with Oiler fans. The optics are bad for the guys on the team and for players outside the organization. Buying him out now because you are afraid he might get hurt would be a bush league move. You don't need the cap space right now and for wht it is worth he is the teams captain.
I have no problem if they buyout Horcoff in the off season. But there is a big difference in doing it after the year is over when you may need the cap space and two days before the season starts when you have almost no reason to do so.
It is not easy to hit all of a player's bonuses. But that is not really the point. The fact that they have the bonus cushion in place gives them time to deal with their cap structure. It would be easy to tweak the roster that Oilgauge presented and get it very close to the cap so at the very worst you may be risking a carry-oer the next year of a couple 100 K.
Bottom line is , there is no chance what so ever that the Oilers would have even considered buying out Horcoff right now. Right now he has a role on the team, and the optics of a move like that would be horrendous. Moreover, your fear that he might be injured and therefore could not be bought out in the summer is not sufficient reason to make such a move right now.
The chances of an injury impacting him in the summer is pretty low. Let say les than 10%. But even if it happens. They still have plenty of options including trading him to a team with los of capspace.
Like I said before, the Oilers have $48.5M committed to 14 players next season. Another 9 spots need to be filled by re-signing RFA's, returning UFA's or other UFA's. Trading, of course is an option too. I suspect Smid, Paajarvi and Gagner will eat up half of the available cap space. So the thing is that in order to get there you need to have a lot of cheap AHL call ups and rookies inserted into your bottom 6, back up goalie, and bottom D pairing. You'll have to let Whitney walk or sign him cheap and hope both Smid and Gagner take discounts. It's really not as easy as you think it is. Signing players means you're negotiating with agents who aren't interested in helping the Oilers out cap wise. Look at the Subban situation right now. They want their player to be paid according to market value or more.
As for the bolded parts, look no further than Gomez and Redden. Both players can still contribute at the NHL level, they're just overpaid and hurt their respective teams' cap situation. IMO Horcoff puts us in the same spot they put their teams in and let's be honest, nobody wants to trade for Horcoff unless we take a bad contract back so what difference does it make at that point? However, the Oilers agree with you that it's not worth doing, whether it's real money, optics or they still want Horcoff on the team but IMHO it's the wrong move but it's just an opinion.
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Like I said before, the Oilers have $48.5M committed to 14 players next season. Another 9 spots need to be filled by re-signing RFA's, returning UFA's or other UFA's. Trading, of course is an option too. I suspect Smid, Paajarvi and Gagner will eat up half of the available cap space. So the thing is that in order to get there you need to have a lot of cheap AHL call ups and rookies inserted into your bottom 6, back up goalie, and bottom D pairing. You'll have to let Whitney walk or sign him cheap and hope both Smid and Gagner take discounts. It's really not as easy as you think it is. Signing players means you're negotiating with agents who aren't interested in helping the Oilers out cap wise. Look at the Subban situation right now. They want their player to be paid according to market value or more.
As for the bolded parts, look no further than Gomez and Redden. Both players can still contribute at the NHL level, they're just overpaid and hurt their respective teams' cap situation. IMO Horcoff puts us in the same spot they put their teams in and let's be honest, nobody wants to trade for Horcoff unless we take a bad contract back so what difference does it make at that point? However, the Oilers agree with you that it's not worth doing, whether it's real money, optics or they still want Horcoff on the team but IMHO it's the wrong move but it's just an opinion.
I know what the numbers are. I also think there is good chance that they do buyout Horcoff either this offseason or next. My objection is to the need to do so right now. Your case in this regard is very weak.
The Rangers and Habs are in a completely different situation from the Oilers. They already knew with 100% certainty that they had to buyout Gomez and Redden. In both of those cases an injury would be a disaster since they need to shed this space or they are totally hooped. Everyone knew this woud happen. The team, the players themselves and everyone else who follows the NHL. Moreover, neither palyer would even make the roster. So the option in this case was the classy thing to do rather than burying these guys in the minors.
The Oilers are in a completely different situation.
I know what the numbers are. I also think there is good chance that they do buyout Horcoff either this offseason or next. My objection is to the need to do so right now. Your case in this regard is very weak.
The Rangers and Habs are in a completely different situation from the Oilers. They already knew with 100% certainty that they had to buyout Gomez and Redden. In both of those cases an injury would be a disaster since they need to shed this space or they are totally hooped. Everyone knew this woud happen. The team, the players themselves and everyone else who follows the NHL. Moreover, neither palyer would even make the roster. So the option in this case was the classy thing to do rather than burying these guys in the minors.
The Oilers are in a completely different situation.
Wait a minute here you can't have it both ways. My "weak" case is that Horcoff should be bought out now because a)we can find a replacement for him and b) he's a potential injury away from being unable to qualify for a buy out this summer thus putting us in potential cap trouble. You concede that the Oilers are likely to buy out Horcoff in one sentence and then, in the next paragraph, you say that the Rangers and Canadiens are in a completely different situation because "everyone knew this would happen." Seems to me that it's the same situation with worse cap implications for New York and Montreal.
Furthermore, Gomez would've made the Canadiens and had no idea what the Habs were planning to do until they could exercise their compliance buyouts in the summer. He showed up to camp, in shape, ready to compete for a roster spot. For his efforts he was told to go home and I've read in numerous publications that it was NOT a hockey decision. How classy of the organization!
No, what really happened is the NHL feared there'd be more cases like this and tried to avoid a nightmarish scenario with the NHLPA where healthy players would be suspended for no other reason than a hefty cap hit since burying players in the minors is no longer an option. That's where you can start talking about optics. Read about it here
What's really going on in Edmonton is that the Oilers are willing to roll the dice on Horcoff this year because they feel he's too expensive to buy out. This is NOT a hockey decision. I hope they don't regret it.
The Oilers and Krueger have done nothing but praise Horcoff since the lockout ended. He's not getting bought out. If anything they seem proud of him for guiding the franchise through some tough waters as captain.
I get a kick out of fans wanting Horcoff skidded and the coach has him on the first PP.....
obviously there is a big difference between fan perception and NHL coach belief.
As for "he can be replaced easily"... alot of players have tryed to supplant Horcoff. It hasnt happened.
Unless of course you think NHL coaches decided to ride Horcoff so they could loss their jobs.
It really is perposterous.
I think I'll stick with NHL coach belief and hope for the best.
Can we have some names of bonafide NHLers who have tried to supplant Horcoff please? Since you haven't provided any......I'll happily do it for you.
Gilbert Brule
Sam Gagner
Colin Fraser
Alexandre Giroux
Ryan O'Marra
Chris Vande Velde
Mike Comrie
Robert Nilsson
Patrick O'Sullivan
Marc Antoine Pouliot
Ryan Stone
Kyle Broadziak
Rob Schremp
Marty Reasoner
Jarrett Stoll
Geez what a stellar list! Petr Nedved and Petr Sykora were both listed as C but were used as wingers here. Both were also first liners during their time here. Gagner actually DID supplant Horcoff. The rest of that list is filled with guys who are bubble NHLers at best, no longer in the league or management traded them away and it's biting us in the ass like Stoll and Broadziak.
As for believing in NHL coaches decisions.....they haven't exactly had much talent to choose from. That piss poor list should speak for itself. But coaches get fired every year for making poor decisions. At one point an entire organization in Atlanta drafted Patrick Stefan 1st overall and left the Sedins on the board. We now remember Stefan for this highlight:
This has nothing to do with Oiler fans. The optics are bad for the guys on the team and for players outside the organization. Buying him out now because you are afraid he might get hurt would be a bush league move. You don't need the cap space right now and for wht it is worth he is the teams captain.
As to the last point...Last year they played their last 48 games in a period of 103 days. This year they play 48 games in 98 days. I doubt that the chances of injury are that much greater.
You think this club cares what the players think after the way some guys asked for a trade out of town and ran this organization through the mud. Those players obviously didnt care about optics, why should the Oilers. The Rangers(who everyone wants to play for) sent Wade Redden to the minors for the last couple years and they have no issues signing big name Free Agents.
Wait a minute here you can't have it both ways. My "weak" case is that Horcoff should be bought out now because a)we can find a replacement for him and b) he's a potential injury away from being unable to qualify for a buy out this summer thus putting us in potential cap trouble. You concede that the Oilers are likely to buy out Horcoff in one sentence and then, in the next paragraph, you say that the Rangers and Canadiens are in a completely different situation because "everyone knew this would happen." Seems to me that it's the same situation with worse cap implications for New York and Montreal.
The issue we are debating was the decision to buy out Horcoff right now. Your case, which I called weak, was based on the highly unlikely event that Horcoff is injured and that the Oilers end up in cap trouble because of this.
Montreal will be in cap trouble regardless of the buyout for Gomez. At this point they have $8.6M in cap space next year with 7 contracts to fill including PK Subban. With Gomez on the books they would have had all of $1.5M to fill 6 spots including Subban. As a conseqeunce they knew 100% for sure that they would be buying out Gomez. And if he did get injured it would have been a disaster for them.
The other issue that we do not yet know about is how this cba deals with tagging limitations. Under the old CBA Gomez being on the books could have limited the Hab's options on signing Subban as they would have had limited tagging space. It looks like this is not being enforced for next year but it is another potential reason why the Habs would want Gomez off the books as soon as possible.
New York's situation with Redden is similar. They had to get his contract off the books and there was no chance to trade him without taking back money that they could not afford capwise. He was going to be bought out for sure. And like Montreal if he was hurt, even if it not likely to happen it would mean significant changes to their roster would have to be made.
So yes the cap situations are worse in Montreal and NY, and that is exactly why the situations are not the same.
There is no way that the Oilers are 100% committed to buying out Horcoff this off season right now. With Horcoff on the team they will still be cap compliant. Buying him out will give them added flexibility but at this stage it is not necessary.
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Furthermore, Gomez would've made the Canadiens and had no idea what the Habs were planning to do until they could exercise their compliance buyouts in the summer. He showed up to camp, in shape, ready to compete for a roster spot. For his efforts he was told to go home and I've read in numerous publications that it was NOT a hockey decision. How classy of the organization!
There was no chance that Gomez was going to make the Habs. He is a center and was certainly not going to play in front of any of Plekanec, Desharnais or Eller. On the wing they have Pacioretty, Cole, Gionta, and Galchenyuk as skill guys. They also have Bourque, Prust, Armstrong and Moen.
At the very best he was on his way to ride the busses in Hamilton.
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No, what really happened is the NHL feared there'd be more cases like this and tried to avoid a nightmarish scenario with the NHLPA where healthy players would be suspended for no other reason than a hefty cap hit since burying players in the minors is no longer an option. That's where you can start talking about optics. Read about it here
What's really going on in Edmonton is that the Oilers are willing to roll the dice on Horcoff this year because they feel he's too expensive to buy out. This is NOT a hockey decision. I hope they don't regret it.
It is 100% a hockey decision. The Oilers clearly feel that Horcoff still has something significant to contribute on and off the ice.
Even if they bought him out they would still pay him 100% of the money they owe him. The most natural replacement would be Belanger on the third line with Lander on the second. So the actual difference in cost to the team would be about $400K. Do you really believe that the ownership stepped in and prevented a "hockey move" because it would have added $400K to the total salary bill?
The issue we are debating was the decision to buy out Horcoff right now. Your case, which I called weak, was based on the highly unlikely event that Horcoff is injured and that the Oilers end up in cap trouble because of this.
Montreal will be in cap trouble regardless of the buyout for Gomez. At this point they have $8.6M in cap space next year with 7 contracts to fill including PK Subban. With Gomez on the books they would have had all of $1.5M to fill 6 spots including Subban. As a conseqeunce they knew 100% for sure that they would be buying out Gomez. And if he did get injured it would have been a disaster for them.
The other issue that we do not yet know about is how this cba deals with tagging limitations. Under the old CBA Gomez being on the books could have limited the Hab's options on signing Subban as they would have had limited tagging space. It looks like this is not being enforced for next year but it is another potential reason why the Habs would want Gomez off the books as soon as possible.
New York's situation with Redden is similar. They had to get his contract off the books and there was no chance to trade him without taking back money that they could not afford capwise. He was going to be bought out for sure. And like Montreal if he was hurt, even if it not likely to happen it would mean significant changes to their roster would have to be made.
So yes the cap situations are worse in Montreal and NY, and that is exactly why the situations are not the same.
Tagging only becomes an issue if Subban is signed to a huge deal. He's likely going to sit for a while unless Montreal sheds some additional cap space.
Lots of teams have bad contracts and all 30 teams have to find a way to be below $64.3M for next year and above $44M. That's the situation. Given that reality, you decide if you do or don't buyout a bad contract and when. Gomez was the most obvious choice but there are other candidates the Canadiens could have chosen from, and still can for the second buyout. Tomas Kaberle and Rene Bourque come to mind immediately.
The reason the situations are the same is because the moment we heard about amnesty buyouts Habs fans thought "finally we can buyout Gomez", Rangers fans thought "finally we can buyout Redden" and wouldn't you know it, Oilers fans also thought "finally we can buyout Horcoff".
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There was no chance that Gomez was going to make the Habs. He is a center and was certainly not going to play in front of any of Plekanec, Desharnais or Eller. On the wing they have Pacioretty, Cole, Gionta, and Galchenyuk as skill guys. They also have Bourque, Prust, Armstrong and Moen.
At the very best he was on his way to ride the busses in Hamilton.
This is speculation, however likely it might be. Nothing came out of the Canadiens organization saying that Gomez had no chance of making the team and he deserved a chance to compete for his job. Anything can happen, I'm sure the Canucks didn't expect David Booth to injure his groin in training camp but it happened so nothing is a certainty. A similar injury or poor play by one of the 3 centers you mentioned and Gomez's chances of making the roster improve significantly. For all we know Gomez may have beaten one of them out for a roster spot during the training camp he wasn't allowed to participate in. Again, unlikely but possible.
My life's experiences have made me a staunch believer in Murphy's Law. If you don't address unknown variables they have a way of biting you in the ass. No Horcoff on the Oilers now means no possibility of eating more of this terrible contract later.
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There is no way that the Oilers are 100% committed to buying out Horcoff this off season right now. With Horcoff on the team they will still be cap compliant. Buying him out will give them added flexibility but at this stage it is not necessary.
It is 100% a hockey decision. The Oilers clearly feel that Horcoff still has something significant to contribute on and off the ice.
Even if they bought him out they would still pay him 100% of the money they owe him. The most natural replacement would be Belanger on the third line with Lander on the second. So the actual difference in cost to the team would be about $400K. Do you really believe that the ownership stepped in and prevented a "hockey move" because it would have added $400K to the total salary bill?
I agree with the bolded part. The Oilers behavior isn't suggesting they're committed to buying out Horcoff at all this summer. They're still cap compliant but it's cutting it really close and every signing has to go their way. One great season by Gagner and Smid and it could be costly. I want to avoid the situation entirely. I'll address it further below.
I advocated for Tim Connolly, Jason Arnott or someone else from outside the organization to be Horcoff's replacement. You won't find a single post of mine where I suggested we replace Horcoff with Belanger or Lander. They're just next in line on the roster right now because of management's inability to bring in somebody better (which has been a theme throughout Horcoff's career) and you don't make this move unless you bring in somebody better. It's not the $400K added to real salary paid by bringing up Lander to the 4th line and Belanger to the 3rd line which is the issue here. It's the combination of the buyout money, the $400K AND the few extra million they would have paid to bring in a real replacement for Horcoff. I believe Jason Arnott would contribute much more than Horcoff on the 3rd line and he certainly gives us a better chance of making the playoffs. But management isn't going in that direction.
If the Oilers were going to make this move then one would hope they would have planned accordingly. It's not very hard but it is costly in real dollars. The Oilers aren't making this move, it's plain to see and that's the reality. They don't want to pay Horcoff to go play for another team and then pay more to get somebody better to replace him that's why imo it's not a hockey decision regardless of Horcoff's contribution on and off the ice. I get that totally but I disagree with it and I'm allowed to disagree. After all, this management group isn't exactly known for making brilliant decisions, one of them includes signing Horcoff to this deal to begin with (Yes I know it was Lowe who signed Horcoff, but he's still part of management).
Anyways, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree because this is going in circles. Good debate though. It's nice to go point-counterpoint with someone without it deteriorating into name calling. Obviously you're free to get the last word in if you like but I won't post any further.
Tagging only becomes an issue if Subban is signed to a huge deal. He's likely going to sit for a while unless Montreal sheds some additional cap space.
With 2 buyouts allowed for every team over the next 2 offseasons, tagging shouldn't be an issue at all until 2014/15. Unless maybe they end up with more than the cap + their two highest cap valued players.
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With 2 buyouts allowed for every team over the next 2 offseasons, tagging shouldn't be an issue at all until 2014/15. Unless maybe they end up with more than the cap + their two highest cap valued players.
Thepotential buyouts don't really help with the tagging rule. Until they are executed that money is still on the books.
That was my point. With Gomez on the books I don't see how the Canadiens could have signed Subban to a multi-year deal if the tagging rule was going to be in place.
Can we have some names of bonafide NHLers who have tried to supplant Horcoff please? Since you haven't provided any......I'll happily do it for you.
Gilbert Brule
Sam Gagner
Colin Fraser
Alexandre Giroux
Ryan O'Marra
Chris Vande Velde
Mike Comrie
Robert Nilsson
Patrick O'Sullivan
Marc Antoine Pouliot
Ryan Stone
Kyle Broadziak
Rob Schremp
Marty Reasoner
Jarrett Stoll
Geez what a stellar list! Petr Nedved and Petr Sykora were both listed as C but were used as wingers here. Both were also first liners during their time here. Gagner actually DID supplant Horcoff. The rest of that list is filled with guys who are bubble NHLers at best, no longer in the league or management traded them away and it's biting us in the ass like Stoll and Broadziak.
As for believing in NHL coaches decisions.....they haven't exactly had much talent to choose from. That piss poor list should speak for itself. But coaches get fired every year for making poor decisions. At one point an entire organization in Atlanta drafted Patrick Stefan 1st overall and left the Sedins on the board. We now remember Stefan for this highlight:
They will not be over the cap if he is not bought out next summer. The numbers that Oilgauge posted includes a substantial amount of bonuses. They have the full bonus cushion to work with.
There is also the fact that we don't even know what next year's roster might be yet, so there is still plenty of time for making moves.
You gotta think that Nuge in his last year of his ELC will all but max out his bonuses. Yakupov has a great chance to do so, but you never know, he's only played 1 game. Same with Schultz.
I'm not sure how the CBA will address this but with 3 players with max ELC contracts next season I don't think they will be able to "write off" all of their bonuses using the cushion, especially if those 3 realize their bonuses.
The fact that we don't know the roster actually supports my argument. With the Oilers looking to be contenders sooner than later it is more likely that the players they bring in will be better and more expensive than the ones going out. Horcoffs $5.5M will terribly hinder that process.
You gotta think that Nuge in his last year of his ELC will all but max out his bonuses. Yakupov has a great chance to do so, but you never know, he's only played 1 game. Same with Schultz.
I'm not sure how the CBA will address this but with 3 players with max ELC contracts next season I don't think they will be able to "write off" all of their bonuses using the cushion, especially if those 3 realize their bonuses.
The fact that we don't know the roster actually supports my argument. With the Oilers looking to be contenders sooner than later it is more likely that the players they bring in will be better and more expensive than the ones going out. Horcoffs $5.5M will terribly hinder that process.
Players on ELC contracts NEVER max out their bonuses in reality.
They may get the $850,000 maximum schedule A bonuses for team oriented clauses which ARE achievable, but they would never max out the $2 million in schedule B bonuses unless they were super human (Gretzky, Orr and Tretiak all rolled into one ) and won the Calder, Hart, Vezina, Conn Smythe, Lady Byng, Norris, Selke, Richard, Jennings, All-Star team etc all in the same year.
) and won the Calder, Hart, Vezina, Conn Smythe, Lady Byng, Norris, Selke, Richard, Jennings, All-Star team etc all in the same year.
