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01-21-2013, 09:27 AM
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Ditto. Horc's a good, valuable player when used properly. the same can be said about Belanger. trustworthy, solid veteran NHLer. Krueger used him more in the 3rd when the single point became a priority.

Horcoff-hate can be blamed on Oilers managment using him as a first line centre and trying to convince the fan base that he was. He is a very good 3rd line centre that can fill into the top six after an injury.
Completely agree.
Although part of the issue before was that the team was so thin up the middle that Horcoff was severely over played...it hurt his game.

I really like the Hartikainen, Horcoff and Smyth line. Hartikainen adds a very physical element to a couple of veteran players eating up tough minutes. If Hartikainen can manage to successfully play tough minutes on a consistent basis he will become a very valuable player on this team.

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01-21-2013, 09:30 AM
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Few thoughts.

-RNH looked slow and hesitant. Needing some confidence which is funny considering how dominant he was at the world juniors.
-Schultz was extremely impressive. His offensive instincts are through the roof.
-Yakupov was very nervous early and settled down.
-Nick Schultz was VERY good. Probably the best overall defensive game we've seen in a long time. Very nice fit with J. Schultz.
-Petry was solid in both ends...basically started where he left off last season.
-Eager did his job. Petrell and Belanger too. Nice effort on the PK.
-Horcoff was buzzing all game long but as soon as he enters the blueline he just doesn't know what to do. Poor guy.
-Hemsky was flying and dangling.
-Dubby looked nervous early. Settled down. Played well and kept it a 1-goal game on a few occassions early in the 3rd.
-Last but not least....tremendous coaching by Ralph. He's gonna live or die with the kids and that is okay with me.

Good effort from the boys.

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01-21-2013, 09:41 AM
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I'll also echo the opinion of several other posters in that RNH & Gagner need to switch lines.

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01-21-2013, 09:41 AM
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If there is a problem with this team that Paajarvi is the answer to you may as well take 'em out back and shoot them... that or spare everyone else the suspense and just award us the next three first overalls...
I think that you're reading way too much into the posts regarding Paajarvi... I don't believe that anyone suggested that he would be "the solution" to anything. It was just speculation with regards to what roles Harti and PRV have at this point. I think that PRV is here to replace Harti if he doesn't manage to click with Horc and Smyth, but I don't want this to happen too soon (and if Hari plays well PRV should go back to the Barons). Note that we're talking about the 3rd member of the 3rd line here, basically a sub until Jones gets back, not the most important key player on which the team needs to depend to have success...

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01-21-2013, 09:43 AM
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I really liked the energy provided by the 4th line. Kudos to Eager for bringing the physicality and for getting Kassian into a game of fisticuffs.

Hartikainen had his moments, including a poke check that came seemingly out of nowhere to deny a grade A+ scoring opportunity in the 1st. Other times he was invisible. While I'm not completely ready to write him off on the line, I couldn't help thinking that Paajarvi would be a better compliment on the line. I thought that Smyth and Horcoff played a little too much out there (the PK units had tours of duty) and that having Paajarvi would give a 5th PK option. If Smyth's gonna play 2nd unit PP, give Paajarvi some PK shifts with Horcoff.

I think it's very telling when Potter (4:02) gets tapped for the PK minutes instead of Whitney (1:55). Won't write Whits off yet, lets see more games.

Potter... on the 2nd goal he just threw his hands up and I wasn't a fan of that body language. He played alright otherwise but I'd fault him slightly on the 1st goal and partially on the 2nd. I'd just rather see Fistric.

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Please continue to beat Vancouver.

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01-21-2013, 09:51 AM
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I'd really like to see Gagner with Hall and Eberle, the chemistry they showed with each other last year was great. I think having Eberle and Nuge on different lines spreads out there skill sets nicely.

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I'd really like to see Gagner with Hall and Eberle, the chemistry they showed with each other last year was great. I think having Eberle and Nuge on different lines spreads out there skill sets nicely.
I don't know Edmonton as well as I'm sure most of this forum.

But to me it makes sense. You'd have two big threats on both top lines, RNH + Nail and then Eberle + Hall, not to mention wild-cards in Gagner/Hemsky, both of whom have a lot of skill but obviously question marks.

I think it would just make it more difficult the opposition to shut down your offence.

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I think that you're reading way too much into the posts regarding Paajarvi... I don't believe that anyone suggested that he would be "the solution" to anything. It was just speculation with regards to what roles Harti and PRV have at this point. I think that PRV is here to replace Harti if he doesn't manage to click with Horc and Smyth, but I don't want this to happen too soon (and if Hari plays well PRV should go back to the Barons). Note that we're talking about the 3rd member of the 3rd line here, basically a sub until Jones gets back, not the most important key player on which the team needs to depend to have success...
No he wasn't "reading" too much into the posts re Paajarvi. The poster in question feels MPS is the cure-all for the supposed woes of the second line. Here is a snippet of that wall of text.

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Our first line looked the worst out there tonight,only surpassing our 2nd line by a tiny margin,they were both trying to play a consistant type of gameplan that forced them to all look dyslexic our entire top 6 looked discombobulated.

We seriously missed MPSs speed size and defensive awarness on the 2nd line and judging by the way the 3rd line played had Hemmer been there he still would have scored.We need MPS on the 2nd line ASAP,the bullet we dodged tonight proves this completely,and no more dump and chase it is retarded for any tham to voluntarily surrender a possesion just to try to regain possesion again??

Having one dimensional players playing on lines with two dimensional players made us look like a drunken marrionette out there.We need to address this and put MPS on the 2nd,Hemmer on the 3rd,and let the 1st line catalyse their offense like I said so RNH can do his creative majic--he and Hall were invisible out there as Ebbs nearly was as well.We cannot afford this dyslexic line performance this season,we need to readdress the criteria we are using to put our lines together immediatly,we need to aknowledge who is one dimensional and who is two dimensional and then keep them apart like water and oil,or we will FUBAR our system no matter what Ralph is asking the men to do.We need to consider the NewAge Hockey System it is unproven but fits our template perfectly,googling ATSBadmedicineNewAgeHockeySystem will show why.

Our PP also looked very disorganised,I think we need to let the guys stay out longer.

Our d-men were not skating the puck up at all,they were choking up and trying a long outlet breakout pass all the time and this just resulted in many turnovers or losses of possesion with no shots on net,the cardinal sin.The d-men needed to skate it up at least 10 or 15 feet and then relay to supporting forwards who werent there tonight at all because we were geared for a breakout setup not a transitional style--everyone was to far upice to support the d-men in dealing with the aggressive forchecking,MPS would have been by proxy.

Someone tell Yakupov he can take it to the net all night long because he often finds himself in range like two or three times a game,he was hesitant,he needs a 100% green light for 60 mins.I didnt like how the 2nd line looked at all ,poor puck distribution and to much reliance on Hemmers speed and not enough on Yakupov and Gagners skillsets.The first line simply must play as I encourage the 2nd line to play,or they will look mortal and perform like mortals.Our top 6 need to all play with two dimensional linemates and this means hemmer out and MPS in next game,and no dump and chase,with some support for the d-men on the forcheck so they can skate it up before they relay it.I hope the next game looks a little more organised than this effort.I saw the try out there but not the results--just two points-a passing grade.
So out of this we can surmise that this poster feels that Hemsky is an anchor dragging down the entire top six because of his "one dimensional play" (whatever in the world he means by that) and that putting MPS into his slot on the second line will mean unlimited offense and iron-clad defense for the entire top six.

I would say ShultzSquared has the OP's views nailed perfectly.

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01-21-2013, 10:05 AM
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I think it's very telling when Potter (4:02) gets tapped for the PK minutes instead of Whitney (1:55). Won't write Whits off yet, lets see more games.

Potter... on the 2nd goal he just threw his hands up and I wasn't a fan of that body language. He played alright otherwise but I'd fault him slightly on the 1st goal and partially on the 2nd. I'd just rather see Fistric.
yeah i thought potter played decent enough, but i still think fistric will be the guy you want back there most nights.... especially if whitney isn't going to be getting lots of PK time... we don't need potter for the PP, since we have justin and whitney .... if whitney isn't going to be PKing much it only makes sense that a defensive specialist like fistric would take those PK minutes, rather than a more offensive minded guy like potter

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01-21-2013, 10:13 AM
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yeah i thought potter played decent enough, but i still think fistric will be the guy you want back there most nights.... especially if whitney isn't going to be getting lots of PK time... we don't need potter for the PP, since we have justin and whitney .... if whitney isn't going to be PKing much it only makes sense that a defensive specialist like fistric would take those PK minutes, rather than a more offensive minded guy like potter
I thought Potter had a decent game, but him just continuing to back into Dubnyk on the first goal was a poor play. He should have been challenging him more and not letting him walk in and then a cannon go. He was laying the body a little more than I remember as well. Still, I'd like to see Fristic in the lineup here this next game.

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01-21-2013, 10:14 AM
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Just watched the post game interview with Hemsky. Love the point he made when asked what the difference was between years pat and this game being able to win a close one. His answer, we didn't change our game, we focused on what WE were doing not on what THEY were doing.

Coaching.

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01-21-2013, 10:21 AM
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Just watched the post game interview with Hemsky. Love the point he made when asked what the difference was between years pat and this game being able to win a close one. His answer, we didn't change our game, we focused on what WE were doing not on what THEY were doing.

Coaching.

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Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa!!!! Hemsky did an interview?

This truely is the dawn of a new day!

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Fistric has to be in against San Jose. They're gonna bully us around with that size and strength up front.

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01-21-2013, 10:24 AM
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Fistric has to be in against San Jose. They're gonna bully us around with that size and strength up front.
Yeah, I hope him and Potter switch spots. Potter was ok last night, but it would be good to see Fistric play.

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A guy that hardly gets any credit or attention, Nick Schultz. The guy was unbelievable defensively last night.

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01-21-2013, 10:27 AM
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If Whitney lays any more eggs like he did last night, I'd almost want to see Fistric in for him rather than Potter.

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There was absolutely no flow or rythm to our game for the full 60 mins,for the love of god we were dumping the puck in the entire first half of the game and part of the second half--probably the most regressive and talent wasting tactic we could ever employ in any game ever considering our roster skillsets and depth,the only line that performed near expectations was the 3rd line.The other two lines did not perform well enough at all.
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You have a lot of time on your hands to write all that. If you're not trolling, then I am not sure why you believe 'dump and chase' is a wasting tactic. Making a teams defenders, who've played less than 24 hours the night before, skate is not a bad tactic. Plus, it creates a gap between fore checkers and defenders in future plays. I stopped reading your post after the massive run-on paragraph-like sentence above.

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What a comeback last night. Very impressed by so many things that occured last night:

- Ralph Krueger's coaching and use of the lines, calm demeaoner on the bench; constant talking and communication with the players
- Petry was unbelieavable, he looks alot bigger out there
- J. Schultz - what a great debut. So poised in his own end and showed a few flashes of that potent offense
- Hemsky looked like hemmer of old; that one move he did on the rush putting the puck through his legs.. wow
- penalty killers were great
- won a game with the other team scoring first, trailing after 2 periods, and in Vancouver. No way Oilers could have won that kinda game in recent years. I thought we owned the Canucks after the first period.
- Eberle is so aswesome; he can create something out of nothing. Best backhand in the league
- only a couple of negatives: Nuge kinda struggled but was great in creating turnovers. Also gotta cut down on penalties and being more discipline. Also Whitney still looks kinda slow.

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01-21-2013, 10:39 AM
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BadMedicine, I can't believe you.

Hemsky was probably one of our best forwards last night, and I'm not a big Hemsky fan, and you think he brought the line down?

Are you trolling? Serious question. We win a game, and you write an essay on how were so awful?

If you're going to write a novel each post, at least bring some substance. Otherwise it's just an eyesore.

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01-21-2013, 10:41 AM
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I think you guys touched on most everything that I was going to say. The only thing I wanted to add, and I'm not sure if someone mentioned it before, is that the Eberle goal in the 2nd period was amazing. What made it special to me was the fact that those were the kind of goals that the Oilers gave up the last few years all the time, right at the end of the period. A few seconds left in the period and the Oil would give up a goal and go into the intermission a deflated. I hope that this a trend that they can continue. It's so much different going into the locker room as the team that scored with 3 seconds left! Great game by pretty much all the Oil and I'm so excited that hockey is back!

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01-21-2013, 10:42 AM
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Kinda funny people are giving up on Harti after 1game but then it's HF so...

For a young 3rd line winger, he was mostly invisible, had a couple of peeks at the net, and made a fantastic defensive play in the 1st.

Given that he played 6 minutes and no PP I thought he was fine.

It's Smyth on PP2 that concerns me.

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The thing I'm curious about it why Paajarvi might be still with the team.

Is Krueger going to rotate him and Harski and have an audition of sorts?

Or maybe with Smyth looking a bit slow, Paajarvi will swap in for the old man and give him a night off every now and then?

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No he wasn't "reading" too much into the posts re Paajarvi. The poster in question feels MPS is the cure-all for the supposed woes of the second line. Here is a snippet of that wall of text.



So out of this we can surmise that this poster feels that Hemsky is an anchor dragging down the entire top six because of his "one dimensional play" (whatever in the world he means by that) and that putting MPS into his slot on the second line will mean unlimited offense and iron-clad defense for the entire top six.

I would say ShultzSquared has the OP's views nailed perfectly.
I don't read the blog posts in this forum but fair enough, you're right about that one post (or more correctly, that one poster). The reason for my reply was simply that there were other posts regarding Paajarvi (including my own) followed by a generic reply by ShultzSquared which I think was misrepresenting the points of discussion.

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Makes sense to me, especially given Krueger's comments on how he wants PRV to develop and getting the kids some PK time this year.

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