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01-21-2013, 12:02 PM
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Not sure if Cornwall pulls that crap at the end of the game if SK is coaching......overall Smith was best player on ice...was shocked he did not get a star...

I have said on here before that Hrehoriak needed to get going if we were going to maintain our spot in standings....and he has played well the last couple of games...

Diaz has been a good addition...looked alittle slow footed the first couple of games but he had not played in a while....can reallly defend well...

Wondering why nepean gave him up...they seem to have no dman big a strong that can defend...
I would argue... Vered & Lorica are big and strong that can defend.
Nepean's problem they had no dman that could run the powerplay. They had one of the best in the league in Debrancat, they traded him away for Rodier, who I like, but he is clearly not a top six guy on this team, he's on the 4th line lately, looking for someone to fight. Drouin helps fill that Dman PP position, although they should have kept Debrincat.
Diaz can be very good when he is not taking penalties and not injured, two things he's done alot. Milito wanted out, more ice time.
If Milito and Diaz stay healthy and play in the playoffs- Pembroke probably wins this trade. But Drouin may help the Nep. PP and it would not surprise me one bit, if Drouins Div. 1 school suggests to him that he plays another year in junior, if that happens, Nep. wins trade.

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01-21-2013, 12:59 PM
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I would argue... Vered & Lorica are big and strong that can defend.
Nepean's problem they had no dman that could run the powerplay. They had one of the best in the league in Debrancat, they traded him away for Rodier, who I like, but he is clearly not a top six guy on this team, he's on the 4th line lately, looking for someone to fight. Drouin helps fill that Dman PP position, although they should have kept Debrincat.
Diaz can be very good when he is not taking penalties and not injured, two things he's done alot. Milito wanted out, more ice time.
If Milito and Diaz stay healthy and play in the playoffs- Pembroke probably wins this trade. But Drouin may help the Nep. PP and it would not surprise me one bit, if Drouins Div. 1 school suggests to him that he plays another year in junior, if that happens, Nep. wins trade.
Both of the players traded should have been given more of an opportunity. But that is what you get with PG.

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Both of the players traded should have been given more of an opportunity. But that is what you get with PG.
Every coach has his favourites

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Every coach has his favourites
That's one way of putting it.

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01-21-2013, 02:09 PM
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Both of the players traded should have been given more of an opportunity. But that is what you get with PG.
Debrincat was great offensively but was often scary to see playing in his own end, Milito was consistent as a bottom pair player and struggled with injuries while Diaz lacked speed but was fairly strong defensively. Rodier was a top line player in Cumberland who probably wanted out being 20 while Drouin was Pembrokes best defenceman and is offensive minded but better defensively then Debrincat. All the trades make sense except for Diaz. Although PG probably had nothing else to give up to get Drouin and Nepean had a lot of overagers. Diaz also missed a lot of time due to injury.

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01-21-2013, 02:11 PM
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I have been watching Kanata lately and would not be surprised if they could upset somebody in the playoffs. They have some offense and Watson is great on the back end. If Lane can get hot at the right time I wouldnt be surprised to see them beat someone out. If lane doesnt get hot I wouldnt be surprised to see them be sweeped either

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01-21-2013, 02:19 PM
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I have been watching Kanata lately and would not be surprised if they could upset somebody in the playoffs. They have some offense and Watson is great on the back end. If Lane can get hot at the right time I wouldnt be surprised to see them beat someone out. If lane doesnt get hot I wouldnt be surprised to see them be sweeped either
Agreed....assuming they make the playoffs. The Hawks are right on their heels.

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01-21-2013, 02:43 PM
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Debrincat was great offensively but was often scary to see playing in his own end, Milito was consistent as a bottom pair player and struggled with injuries while Diaz lacked speed but was fairly strong defensively. Rodier was a top line player in Cumberland who probably wanted out being 20 while Drouin was Pembrokes best defenceman and is offensive minded but better defensively then Debrincat. All the trades make sense except for Diaz. Although PG probably had nothing else to give up to get Drouin and Nepean had a lot of overagers. Diaz also missed a lot of time due to injury.
Harper outplayed Drouin this year in Pembroke. Ask anyone who's watched them at all this year.

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Harper outplayed Drouin this year in Pembroke. Ask anyone who's watched them at all this year.
I do not think he was even the #2 guy

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01-21-2013, 04:08 PM
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Harper outplayed Drouin this year in Pembroke. Ask anyone who's watched them at all this year.
I do not see how... Harper always gets beat off the rush due to foot speed skating backwards

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01-21-2013, 04:57 PM
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I like Harper personally, he's aggressive in the corners and really the only grit on a sort of soft Pembroke team. If he could get that foot speed going a bit he could be a real effective college dman. Diaz is a steady dman but there was clearly something going on behind the scenes in Nepean (I heard it was a tweet Diaz sent out about being a healthy scratch, but that was a while back). Militio adds some depth on the back end for Pembroke but he's no game changer. I think Nepean probably should have gotten more than just Rodier for Debrincat. Sure Rodier is a great character player. is a great energy guy, and the best fighter/most feared player in the league, and although Debrincat is next to awful in his own end, he is a power play specialist and the Nepean PP was the scariest in the league when he was on it. I wouldn't even classify Drouin as an offensive dman, more of a 2 way dman in my eyes. Just my thoughts everyone.

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01-21-2013, 07:55 PM
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I like Harper personally, he's aggressive in the corners and really the only grit on a sort of soft Pembroke team. If he could get that foot speed going a bit he could be a real effective college dman. Diaz is a steady dman but there was clearly something going on behind the scenes in Nepean (I heard it was a tweet Diaz sent out about being a healthy scratch, but that was a while back). Militio adds some depth on the back end for Pembroke but he's no game changer. I think Nepean probably should have gotten more than just Rodier for Debrincat. Sure Rodier is a great character player. is a great energy guy, and the best fighter/most feared player in the league, and although Debrincat is next to awful in his own end, he is a power play specialist and the Nepean PP was the scariest in the league when he was on it. I wouldn't even classify Drouin as an offensive dman, more of a 2 way dman in my eyes. Just my thoughts everyone.
I agree with everything you said, although you have to remember Rodier was one of Cumberlands leading scorers before the trade and Nepean did not have much grit

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01-21-2013, 09:13 PM
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01-23-2013, 08:20 AM
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There are two ownersof the 73's and I guarantee the other would not agree to it....i do not know Tugnutt to comment on his opinion.
Tugnutt is not the poblem in Kville. Any team that has a .250 winning percentage over the last three years, who have traded umpteen numbers of players, have an 11th place power play, 9th place pk needs to make changes that aren't on the ice. This quite evident to everyone that watches the practices and the games.

And, I do not care that there are two owners that are the ones who make these decisions.... Someone may want to wake them up and have them look at the last three years and deceide if they want to stay at the bottom, or actually improve and start heading in the right directions.

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01-23-2013, 11:11 AM
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Tugnutt is not the poblem in Kville. Any team that has a .250 winning percentage over the last three years, who have traded umpteen numbers of players, have an 11th place power play, 9th place pk needs to make changes that aren't on the ice. This quite evident to everyone that watches the practices and the games.

And, I do not care that there are two owners that are the ones who make these decisions.... Someone may want to wake them up and have them look at the last three years and deceide if they want to stay at the bottom, or actually improve and start heading in the right directions.
That was a pretty useless comment. Obviously Kville owners want to improve and head in the right direction, do you actually think they want to stay at the bottom? I do think there is a problem with the daddy owner getting his son, who is not of CJHL material, way too much ice time. Another reason Kville struggles is when your always in last place, its hard to recruit top end players to your club. What kind of kid wants to play for a last place club? I believe it is best for the franchise if they are just sold already. I think their last year to do anything was this year with big names like Byron Lussier House. They have no one to build their team around now. No top scorer, no shut down/offensively gifted dman, no stud goalie. This club is going no where anytime soon. I think at a time earlier in the season they had the ingredients and the right players to make a playoff run, that didn't happen due mostly to the underproduction of players and iffy coaching.

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01-23-2013, 11:57 AM
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Yes there are problems in Kemptville, had to trade Byron and House because they lose them next year. Heard Lussier and Gonu wanted out which is too bad because those are pieces with Nowak at least they had some Jr A experience for next year. Brought in some other parts in trades, time will tell if they pay off but lack of results makes it tough to recruit for sure.

What happened in Kanata last night saw LN tweet "I believe Stallion players forgot we played Tuesday nights" - funny but not funny losing 10-0 at home with play-off contention on the line every game and an effort like that would have me worried. Hawkesbury playing well have to now be in the driver seat or the favourite for the last spot. Can't take a night off still too many games with final seedings on the line. Where you finish may not matter in the end but surprised to see lopsided results none the less.

Two good ones on the sched tonight Brockville goes into Nepean and Jr. Sens host the slumping SF Bears...predictions?

Brockville 5 Nepean 3
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Iffy coaching IS the reason why they are where they are. During the pre-season, the team went 6-1. Instaed of keeping that line up and filling holes with the odd trade, Malloy completely dismantled the team. The under production of the supporting cast happened because of his reluctance to play any other line except the Byron line and the Nowak line. Players WILL go to a last place team, if the last place team brings in a coach such as Sheldone Keefe, or someone that has been somewhat succssfull.

The specialty teams are not bad because of the players, they are bad because they are coached poorly. The PP is the coaches power play, implemented by and taught by the coach. The same as PK. Blaming the lack of success on players is EXACTLY why this team is where it is. Start putting the blame on the person or persons that should be accountable for their poor coaching record. In any league, after three season of a win ratio of less than 30%, that coach will most likely be moving on.

I will also say that it takes an ENTIRE team to get into the playoffs and win, this team has failed to play the entire team since the begining of this season.

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That was a pretty useless comment. Obviously Kville owners want to improve and head in the right direction, do you actually think they want to stay at the bottom? I do think there is a problem with the daddy owner getting his son, who is not of CJHL material, way too much ice time. Another reason Kville struggles is when your always in last place, its hard to recruit top end players to your club. What kind of kid wants to play for a last place club? I believe it is best for the franchise if they are just sold already. I think their last year to do anything was this year with big names like Byron Lussier House. They have no one to build their team around now. No top scorer, no shut down/offensively gifted dman, no stud goalie. This club is going no where anytime soon. I think at a time earlier in the season they had the ingredients and the right players to make a playoff run, that didn't happen due mostly to the underproduction of players and iffy coaching.
I dont think Kville ever had a shutdown Dman in Lussier...just ask SF fans! I think they need to get a top end goalie before next year. If they can do that, have current players mature with experience and add a couple players they could make the play offs next year.

CP has been dominating teams lately and if this keeps up I see them as my playoff favourite with the lack of chemistry/injuries in SF and injuries in Ott. If Nepean can get going again I like them with their goaltending and by far the most depth at the forward position in the league

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01-23-2013, 12:17 PM
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Another thought to add. If your power play is ranked 11th all the way into January, before you trade Byron, Lussier and Gonu, and it is still thatt bad after you do, then maybe the PP instilled isn't working...... And changing it would be a good idea. I have sat in the stands and watched the same unit go out power play after power play, and produce nothing. One game, Baylis scored three times short handed and the very next power play, the same guys came on. Does anyone see something wrong here? It isn't working. So common sense would say try something or someone else.
Next seasons, I am not wasteing my money on a season pass in Kemptville. I'll drive to Nepean and spend my money there.

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Another thought to add. If your power play is ranked 11th all the way into January, before you trade Byron, Lussier and Gonu, and it is still thatt bad after you do, then maybe the PP instilled isn't working...... And changing it would be a good idea. I have sat in the stands and watched the same unit go out power play after power play, and produce nothing. One game, Baylis scored three times short handed and the very next power play, the same guys came on. Does anyone see something wrong here? It isn't working. So common sense would say try something or someone else.
Next seasons, I am not wasteing my money on a season pass in Kemptville. I'll drive to Nepean and spend my money there.
This would not be the first case of an owner building towards a championship team a few years down the road when it matters most to the child(ren) they have playing on the team. Look at who they brought in, some good 17 year olds who have not shown an interest in the OHL nor do they look like early departures to US Colleges.

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"Two good ones on the sched tonight Brockville goes into Nepean and Jr. Sens host the slumping SF Bears...predictions?"


A couple questions for tonights tilts...what does PG do to slow down the hottest line in the league of Blasko, Ferreira and Roll ?

Secondly, does MG pull the Bears out of their recent funk ?

Braves 5 Nepean 4 (so)

Ottawa 3 Bears 1

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I dont think Kville ever had a shutdown Dman in Lussier...just ask SF fans! I think they need to get a top end goalie before next year. If they can do that, have current players mature with experience and add a couple players they could make the play offs next year.

CP has been dominating teams lately and if this keeps up I see them as my playoff favourite with the lack of chemistry/injuries in SF and injuries in Ott. If Nepean can get going again I like them with their goaltending and by far the most depth at the forward position in the league
I will certainly agree about Lussier. The hype on him was blown out of proportion! I don't think that trade upgraded our D at all.

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"Two good ones on the sched tonight Brockville goes into Nepean and Jr. Sens host the slumping SF Bears...predictions?"


A couple questions for tonights tilts...what does PG do to slow down the hottest line in the league of Blasko, Ferreira and Roll ?

Secondly, does MG pull the Bears out of their recent funk ?

Braves 5 Nepean 4 (so)

Ottawa 3 Bears 1
Nepean's home record one of the best (if not the best) in the league. Line matching is a big deal and in his home rink PG is extremely good at it, as the Bears and Ottawa recently found out. Nepean has top PK in the league and that also translates into shut down line matching at home.

It is also why Nepean will be desperate for home ice advantage going into the playoffs.

If they get it, all bets are off (I dont see how they do at the moment given the standings) and if they don't then they wont make the final. I still see the league winner coming out of Ottawa or SF but Brockville is certainly making a case for themselves.

Interesting question now is who is Nepean's real number one goalie?

Prediction for tonight - Nepean 4 Braves 2.

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This would not be the first case of an owner building towards a championship team a few years down the road when it matters most to the child(ren) they have playing on the team. Look at who they brought in, some good 17 year olds who have not shown an interest in the OHL nor do they look like early departures to US Colleges.
I find this statement a little bizarre. What do you mean the 17 yr olds they brought in have no interest in the OHL? Could it be that the OHL had no interest in them? or their draft team did not keep them on? What do you think 90% of the players in Junior A consist of??

Secondly, there are a few articles that talk about recruitment to the NCAA (just google). The grand majority, I'm talking 60-70%, are offered scholarships between the ages of 19 to 20 yrs old. Also, most U.S. college teams that are successful have a much older roster (21-23 yrs). They are not stacked with 18 and 19 yr olds. The age of a Junior A player when he receives a scholarship does not indicate anything about his level of play. It will depend on the needs of the Institution at the time and the number of scholarships that the Institution has to offer. Please look up Matt Robertson from the SF Bears. He had good to great stats over a number of years but was not offered a scholey at 17!!! Compare those stats to Blaine Byron's two years. Bottom line is one player was at the right place at the right time for a particular Institution!!

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