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01-21-2013, 10:13 PM
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Jesus, people need to realize that just because a better player was picked later in the draft that it was a bad pick.
29 other teams had a chance to draft Ludnqvist, and Callahan, and Stepan. Just because they might have picked someone not as good doesn't mean it was a bad pick.

Someone posted a few days ago, that outside the top few picks, only like half/a third of all 1st rounders become full time NHLers
If McI becomes an NHL defenseman, he was a good pick

In simpler terms: you can't expect your team to get the best player every draft. Technically, they should get the best player every 30 drafts
Silly argument. Incredibly silly argument. I'm sorry, just equating Lundqvist, Callahan, and Stepan to this situation is a JOKE. First of all, only one of those 3 is as good or better as what Tarasenko can become. Second, more importantly, none of these guys were highly touted. Tarasenko was highly touted and fell due to the Russian factor. I'm sorry that's not a good enough reason to pass on a guy with that skill. We took Cherepanov in the first round. This guy had better skill. Also, unlike what one poster said Cherepanov's death was something that never happens, so THAT'S not an excuse either.

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Yay more Tarasenko circle jerking.

He's not in New York, and he's also not in our Division or Conference.

Rangers have a solid system and a contender. *****ing about Tarasenko is *****ing for *****ing's sake.

McIlrath better not be anything because of what someone else may or may not be. McIlrath should become what he will for what we need. Independent of what Tarasenko may or may not become.

Let's wait and see what Tarasenko does when top NHL defensemen start focusing their attention on him and start pushing him around.

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You called it back then, and I remember you fawning over Tarasenko. So you know him better than I do, I'm just not one to live in the past. Point is we have what we have right now, and McIlrath may turn into, and I think he will, a very solid shut down D-man with snarl. We lack that as well, hopefully he catches Tarasenko like Orpik caught Kreider at some point in the future. We shall see.

We have enough skill offensively, that isn't our problem.
yes. fair enough.

if mcilrath can become what we hope he can, were good for 10 years with a monster shutdown guy.

but this organization hasnt had an offensive talent like this young russian in a long time. he was there for us. crosby ? maybe not but i would take a datsyuk. wouldnt you ?

and as ive said before, what mac can/might do we can find in free agency and in lower draft picks.

what tarasenko can do, that usually isnt found anywhere but in the top picks of the first round.

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He can skate? So what? If Tarasenko fulfills his potential then McIlrath better be a ****ing superstar, hell a generation defenseman considering how much more of a deficit we have at forward. McIlrath better be BETTER than Tarasenko. Considering his ceiling is a good physicaly D-man who can skate, not some superstar, this is a HUGE mistake most likely.

Our prized 28 year old seasoned vet Rick Nash who has been playing on the first line with Brad Richards hasn't looked as good as this rookie. We gave up replaceable players for him, but still decent depth. He's also 28, so he's not that young anymore.

im not defending the McILrath pick. im saying that if McIlrath cant replace Bickel by the end of this season or beginning of 2013-2014 season at this point in time, it isnt looking good. McIlrath doesnt look like a slug like Bickel is whenever he is on the ice... i wanted Tarasenko, but maybe something must have told the Rangers to stay away, maybe the russian factor of staying in the KHL, who knows...

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Getzlaf will be getting a big payday as UFA if he leaves.. he scored 2 goals tonight.. it seems like every team already has a player with more than 1 goal except NYR

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im not defending the McILrath pick. im saying that if McIlrath cant replace Bickel by the end of this season or beginning of 2013-2014 season at this point in time, it isnt looking good. McIlrath doesnt look like a slug like Bickel is whenever he is on the ice... i wanted Tarasenko, but maybe something must have told the Rangers to stay away, maybe the russian factor of staying in the KHL, who knows...
we dont draft russians.

if his name was miller or smith or whatever. hes a ranger.

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clark fell in love with what mcilrath could be. weve been there before. paging mr jessiman. i blame gordie and him alone. he gambled. imo, he lost.

and vlady is russian. not saying this organization is anti russian but lets just say torts isnt gonna give his nod and wink for anyone with a first name of vladimir.

when it comes to drafting, this is a canadian or american only need apply team. the only exception would be for the occasional swede.
Yep, imagine if a team in any other sport said "when it comes to drafting, this is a white only need apply team". It's embarrassing that this passes. I guess because Euros are white, it's ok.

Anyway, this is a Canadian or American apply only team. Not only that it's a grinders apply only team. Us being a strict NA grinder team with no creativity that can only dump and chase and grind and can't complete one pass is why teams like the Penguins can score with their eyes closed and we are the team that tries their darndest to score more than 2 goals is why they won't win a cup any time soon and why they'll be a boring eye sore most games they play. Oh and can there be a more NA type team than St. Louis? Yet they still get Tarasenko. If Torts' xenophobia is holding us back from drafting players with enormous potential because of their birth certificate, I want a coach with an open mind.

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Or else?



That's right, Tarasenko in 2 games has accomplished much more than Rick Nash and Brad Richards in the NHL right?

Let's see where everyone ends up at the end of the season.
Or, it is colossal mistake. 2 games is a short sample size but it's pretty telling when your best forward through 2 games is outdone by a rookie that's almost 10 years younger than him. And we're a contender?

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Silly argument. Incredibly silly argument. I'm sorry, just equating Lundqvist, Callahan, and Stepan to this situation is a JOKE. First of all, only one of those 3 is as good or better as what Tarasenko can become. Second, more importantly, none of these guys were highly touted. Tarasenko was highly touted and fell due to the Russian factor. I'm sorry that's not a good enough reason to pass on a guy with that skill. We took Cherepanov in the first round. This guy had better skill. Also, unlike what one poster said Cherepanov's death was something that never happens, so THAT'S not an excuse either.
If by Russian factor you mean he was playing at home for daddy and could have had anything he wanted, and had St. Louis been a bottom feeder, then yea, Russian factor.

There were legitimate concerns about his intentions. Not even the Blues knew what those intentions were.

Rangers wanted and needed a player who unquestionably would push himself to be an NHL player. As they have been doing the last few years.

There are a lot of factors at play here. Its not as cut and dry as Tarasenko scoring some goals and McIlrath still in the AHL. McIlrath's position is also much more difficult to play and learn. And the NHL roster still needs a player like him. He will get his shot eventually. Right handed defenseman is needed to play with Del Zotto.

Is scoring an issue? Maybe. Let's see how this team does further into the season. But we have some skilled guys in the system. Fast, St. Croix, Lindberg, Hrivik...Kreider....


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Hey guys, remember Anisimov?

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we dont draft russians.

if his name was miller or smith or whatever. hes a ranger.

sad
Your reaching with the xenophobia. No offense.

Fast, Lindberg, Andersson, Spelling are American names?

St. Croix? Sounds French Canadian to me.

I see a team poised to make a run at the Cup. For several years. And your complaining because of some kid in St. Louis Missouri?

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Yep, imagine if a team in any other sport said "when it comes to drafting, this is a white only need apply team". It's embarrassing that this passes. I guess because Euros are white, it's ok.

Anyway, this is a Canadian or American apply only team. Not only that it's a grinders apply only team. Us being a strict NA grinder team with no creativity that can only dump and chase and grind and can't complete one pass is why teams like the Penguins can score with their eyes closed and we are the team that tries their darndest to score more than 2 goals is why they won't win a cup any time soon and why they'll be a boring eye sore most games they play. Oh and can there be a more NA type team than St. Louis? Yet they still get Tarasenko. If Torts' xenophobia is holding us back from drafting players with enormous potential because of their birth certificate, I want a coach with an open mind.
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Alexandr Svitov drafted by Bolts in 2001 - Bust
Evgeny Artyukhin drafted by Bolts in 2001 - Bust
Vladimir Mihalik drafted by Bolts in 2005 - Bust

those were some of the Russians drafted during Torts time with Bolts.

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I can't believe people are already saying tarasenko is better than Richards and Nash.

Daniel Winnik has more points in two games. He's better too, right?

Who?

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Not really, I am afraid of a well rounded team. Which we are and so are the Blues. If Tarasenko was on the island or in Columbus we'd all be dazzled but would we really be that scared of him?



I don't think it will be a Jessiman situation, McIlrath will be a regular in the NHL. Hopefully more than just a journeyman.
The Penguins aren't a well rounded team. They're all offense. Yet the New York Grinders who are supposedly well rounded get embarrassed when they play them. Every time. It's not because of Orpik. Hell it's not even Crosby. ****ing Malkin owns our souls. So you don't even need 2 superstars.

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Was he American? I don't recall...

What about Gaborik? He's definitely from Alabama, right?

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I can't believe people are already saying tarasenko is better than Richards and Nash.

Daniel Winnik has more points in two games. He's better too, right?

Who?
I can't believe that Tarasenko's name appears in at least 4 separate threads on the first page of the RANGERS board. It's frickin' annoying.

Can we please just have the 'official Tarasenko thread' so the rest of us can ignore and avoid this stupidity?

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Was he American? I don't recall...

What about Gaborik? He's definitely from Alabama, right?
Pretty sure I read somewhere that Gabby and Anisimov grew up with Tyutin on Ohio...

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Alexandr Svitov drafted by Bolts in 2001 - Bust
Evgeny Artyukhin drafted by Bolts in 2001 - Bust
Vladimir Mihalik drafted by Bolts in 2005 - Bust

those were some of the Russians drafted during Torts time with Bolts.
Now give me a list of NA players that busted for him. I'm sure plenty did. Some Russians bust! I guess they're not perfect.

Edit: Are you sure Mihalik is Russian? First name, yeah, but last name sounds Czech/Slovak.

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I can't believe people are already saying tarasenko is better than Richards and Nash.

Daniel Winnik has more points in two games. He's better too, right?

Who?
Remember when Aaron Voros was on pace for 60 goals...amazing what small sample sizes can do for someones image.

Kreider was pretty good in the playoffs, but he's a bust now, a few months later...what will Tarasenko be when guys like Weber and Keith start being put on him like a shadow.

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Or, it is colossal mistake. 2 games is a short sample size but it's pretty telling when your best forward through 2 games is outdone by a rookie that's almost 10 years younger than him. And we're a contender?
It's not telling at all, what is your obsession with the first two games of the season being some sort of huge benchmark? It's two games. Marian Gaborik didn't have as many points as Tarasenko does after his first two games last year and he scored 41 goals, how was that possible?

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The Penguins aren't a well rounded team. They're all offense. Yet the New York Grinders who are supposedly well rounded get embarrassed when they play them. Every time. It's not because of Orpik. Hell it's not even Crosby. ****ing Malkin owns our souls. So you don't even need 2 superstars.
Go be a Pens fan?

Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, the Pens are a well rounded team. They're not as defensive minded as we are sure, but they aren't exactly chopped liver. You don't win the cup without above average defense and goaltending.

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Pretty sure I read somewhere that Gabby and Anisimov grew up with Tyutin on Ohio...
I guess that makes sense since that's where they learned cow tipping from Kovalev and Nemchinov.

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Now give me a list of NA players that busted for him. I'm sure plenty did. Some Russians bust! I guess they're not perfect.

Edit: Are you sure Mihalik is Russian? First name, yeah, but last name sounds Czech/Slovak.
your right its slovak.. well european prospects... alot of prospects bust. its just knowing which ones have a better chance than doing..

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If by Russian factor you mean he was playing at home for daddy and could have had anything he wanted, and had St. Louis been a bottom feeder, then yea, Russian factor.

There were legitimate concerns about his intentions. Not even the Blues knew what those intentions were.

Rangers wanted and needed a player who unquestionably would push himself to be an NHL player. As they have been doing the last few years.

There are a lot of factors at play here. Its not as cut and dry as Tarasenko scoring some goals and McIlrath still in the AHL. McIlrath's position is also much more difficult to play and learn. And the NHL roster still needs a player like him. He will get his shot eventually. Right handed defenseman is needed to play with Del Zotto.

Is scoring an issue? Maybe. Let's see how this team does further into the season. But we have some skilled guys in the system. Fast, St. Croix, Lindberg, Hrivik...Kreider....
Well the Blues took him despite not knowing what his intensions were. Remember this?

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Looks like Glen Sather needed to refresh his memory about his supposed philosophy. No, the Lindros trade didn't work out, but you know what? If that's your motto you can't be a mouse because of a failure.

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Remember when Aaron Voros was on pace for 60 goals...amazing what small sample sizes can do for someones image.

Kreider was pretty good in the playoffs, but he's a bust now, a few months later...what will Tarasenko be when guys like Weber and Keith start being put on him like a shadow.
Don't forget about Stepan not being 2C! Someone who scores 51 points at 21 years old while being aware defensively is obviously horrible with no room to improve.
Fire Torts
Bring back Prince Chad
Buy out Richards
Trade everyone.
Stop winnin' for MacKinnon.

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Don't forget about Stepan not being 2C! Someone who scores 51 points at 21 years old while being aware defensively is obviously horrible with no room to improve.
Fire Torts
Bring back Prince Chad
Buy out Richards
Trade everyone.
Stop winnin' for MacKinnon.
if the Rangers tried you know damn well they will take away the draft pick based on saving the NHL etc etc etc Devils would get first overall or some rival...

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