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01-22-2013, 01:49 AM
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I think Nail sticking with Sedin there kind of threw everyone off on that play. Classically you have the wingers covering the points while the center takes the high forward (in this case, Kassian). The defensemen are usually working with the center in containing the forwards. In this case Yakupov took Whitney's assignment (forward along the left side) and Whitney was a bit stuck in limbo figuring out what to do.


Look how ridiculous that picture is. Hemsky (RW) is busy covering Yakupov's post (Vancouver RD), Whitney is stuck in limbo, and Gagner is watching as Kassian breaks in. Sedin had 2 beautiful passing opportunities there: 1) Kassian, and 2) the completely uncovered Vancouver LD who Hemsky abandoned to cover Yakupov's man (not in the picture).

Proper adjustment would have been having Whitney take the darting Kassian, while Gagner gets in the passing lane to cover the LD - but that was unrealistic for such a fast-developing play. In essence the expectation is that the players follow through on their original assignments (Gagner checks Kassian, Whitney gets suck in limbo)
In essence, the goal is the fault of all 3 players - Yakupov, Whitney and Gagner.

Yakupov - broke with systems and chased a forward behind the net and along the boards, throwing off Whitney.
Whitney - for not adjusting to the switch and instead bone-headedly chasing Sedin+Yakupov to the left boards, which wouldn't have been TOO bad of a play if Gagner hadn't screwed up
Gagner - responsible for the high forward (gearing for one-timer or crashing net). Clearly did nothing to impede Kassian's progress to the net or his shot.

Overall blame breakdown IMO would be 25% Yakupov, 50% Gagner, 25% Whitney.
http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocen...id=4&id=194632

Krueger says himself Nail was doing exactly what he was supposed to (player closest to the puck pressures).

That goal was 80% Whitney and 20% Gagner.

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01-22-2013, 01:59 AM
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Krueger says himself Nail was doing exactly what he was supposed to (player closest to the puck pressures).

That goal was 80% Whitney and 20% Gagner.
To some extent Krueger is right, given where Yakupov was when Daniel got the puck (behind the net), he made the right play (chasing him). But he shouldn't have been there to begin with.

Re-watch the highlight of that goal:

Yakupov is the first forward back on the back-check (surprise, surprise, Gagner), but because he's unfamiliar with the role, skates all the way back behind his goal-line, when his defensemen already had appropriate positioning with the 2 forwards that were there.

I guess the "right" thing for Yakupov to do was to take Gagner's spot and pick up the 3rd man in (which often times is a defenseman that he can just stick with - in fact this time it was Edler). Whitney would then pursue D.Sedin, Gagner would take the familiar C spot in the slot (presumably on Kassian or anyone else pinching into the area), while Hemsky/Yakupov minded a wing.
Yakupov back-checking all the way back to his goal-line was the start of all the confusion on that play.

Thereafter, he played it right (chasing the man with the puck), but by then it was already too late - the lanes had opened up for Daniel to make the play.

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01-22-2013, 02:47 AM
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To some extent Krueger is right, given where Yakupov was when Daniel got the puck (behind the net), he made the right play (chasing him). But he shouldn't have been there to begin with.

Re-watch the highlight of that goal:

Yakupov is the first forward back on the back-check (surprise, surprise, Gagner), but because he's unfamiliar with the role, skates all the way back behind his goal-line, when his defensemen already had appropriate positioning with the 2 forwards that were there.

I guess the "right" thing for Yakupov to do was to take Gagner's spot and pick up the 3rd man in (which often times is a defenseman that he can just stick with - in fact this time it was Edler). Whitney would then pursue D.Sedin, Gagner would take the familiar C spot in the slot (presumably on Kassian or anyone else pinching into the area), while Hemsky/Yakupov minded a wing.
Yakupov back-checking all the way back to his goal-line was the start of all the confusion on that play.

Thereafter, he played it right (chasing the man with the puck), but by then it was already too late - the lanes had opened up for Daniel to make the play.
I still think that play is on Whitney, why the heck does he goes after the puck carrier when Yak is on him? Also why didn't he just tie him up and take him into the boards when Sedin was first breaking into the zone.

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01-22-2013, 03:02 AM
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It's 83% Hemsky's fault. 17% Krueger's fault.

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01-22-2013, 09:45 AM
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Technically Eager won the fight but Kassian did more damage.
How do you not win the fight after landing the landing the last few blows bringing the guy down on ice and finishing on top of him??

Doing fist pumps to jack up the crowd after doesnt mean youve won the fight..
False realities are a pretty easy sell to Vancouver fans.

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http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocen...id=4&id=194632

Krueger says himself Nail was doing exactly what he was supposed to (player closest to the puck pressures).

That goal was 80% Whitney and 20% Gagner.
It's weird because as everyone seems to realize, traditionally that's Gagner's man to cover. If Krueger said it wasn't Gagner's fault, then I have absolutely no idea what the hell kind of system they are running in their own zone. I mean usually you just watch a few plays and you can figure it out, but I'm stumped.

I hope they plan to adjust it.

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This thread is mostly just bickering at this point and there is a new game to discuss. Closed.

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