Combination of good, and biggest impact, the weighting, and definitions of "impact" and "good" are up to you, as long as it only counts time in Edmonton. So no Rangers Messier, or Kings Gretzky.
To draw a line somewhere let's say 3 cups in Edmonton grantees you a spot (they are all on my list, so no need for research), but if you have 2 cup wins and played a big enough roll you can be on the list too
As someone who wasn't alive at the time, and is just speculating, and will probably be way off. But I am interested in seeing you opinions
#1: Gretzky
#2: Messier
#3: Coffey
#4: Kurri
#5: Anderson
#6: Fuhr
#7: Lowe
#8: Tikkanen
this is where there is a big gap and it gets really tricky, especially for someone who wasn't around at the time. So these could be terrible, especially since I have never even heard of the last 6. Just sorted them based on how cool their name is
McSorley wasn't any good as an Oiler. Gregg was pretty damn good, better than the 6 guys you have ahead of him there. I'll see what I can come up with.
McSorley wasn't any good as an Oiler. Gregg was pretty damn good, better than the 6 guys you have ahead of him there. I'll see what I can come up with.
McSorely wasn't great, but didn't he play his role (enforcer/body guard) well?
3+ cups (no McSorley, Simpson, Ruotsalainen, Fogolin, Semenko, Beukeboom...)
based strictly on their performance with the Oilers dynasty (1985-1990)
1. Wayne Gretzky
2. Mark Messier
3. Paul Coffey
4. Jari Kurri
5. Grant Fuhr
6. Glenn Anderson
7. Esa Tikkanen
8. Kevin Lowe
9. Andy Moog
10. Craig macTavish
11. Charlie Huddy
12. Steve Smith
13. Randy Gregg
14. Mike Krushelnyski
15. Craig Muni
16. Dave Hunter
17. Kevin McClelland
18. Jaroslav Pouzar
19. Kelly Buchberger
3+ cups (no McSorley, Simpson, Ruotsalainen, Fogolin, Semenko, Beukeboom...)
based strictly on their performance with the Oilers dynasty (1985-1990)
1. Wayne Gretzky
2. Mark Messier
3. Paul Coffey
4. Jari Kurri
5. Grant Fuhr
6. Glenn Anderson
7. Esa Tikkanen
8. Kevin Lowe
9. Andy Moog
10. Craig macTavish
11. Charlie Huddy
12. Steve Smith
13. Randy Gregg
14. Mike Krushelnyski
15. Craig Muni
16. Dave Hunter
17. Kevin McClelland
18. Jaroslav Pouzar
19. Kelly Buchberger
1. Gretzky
2. Coffey
3. Messier
4. Fuhr
5. Kurri
6. Anderson
7. Tikkanen
8. Lowe
9. Huddy
10. Mac Tavish
11. Simpson
12. Smith
13. Gregg
14. Krushelnyski
Moog doesn't really belong in the conversation. He watched from the bench the majority of the time the Oilers rolled through the playoffs.
I disagree about Moog - several seasons he and Fuhr rotated throughout and there were a couple playoff runs where Fuhr got injured/sick and Moog had to step in and play. The Oilers never missed a beat.
Honestly, the Oilers would have won at least 3 of the 4 and maybe even all 4 of those same cups with Moog. The only one that would have been close is that 7 game series with the Flyers, and even then I remember Fuhr letting in a couple weak goals that made the series closer than it otherwise would have been (combined with spectacular goaltending from Hextal, of course).
I say 4 cups instead of 5, since Randford played for the Oilers 5th.
1) Gretzky
2) Coffey
3) Messier
4) Kurri
5) Anderson
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1) Gretzky
2) Coffey
3) Messier
4) Kurri
5) Anderson
I think Fuhr has to be above Anderson.
Also, Messier should beat out Coffey because he was there longer (5 Cups vs. 3 Cups). I can see an argument for Coffey if we're just taking about the time he was there.
Gretzky - no argument there even with just the 4 Cups
Messier - a solid #2
Kurri - Am I the only guy so far giving Kurri the solid #3 spot here? No offense to my boy Coffey, but was Coffey more important in 3 Cups than Kurri in 5? Not to me. Kurri was a constant threat.
Coffey - Give him the #4 spot
Anderson - Great in all 5 Cups with Edmonton, sometimes Anderson tends to get underrated here on just how clutch the man was
Fuhr - even though Ranford was the starter for the 5th Cup you have to give Fuhr a clear #6 here.
After that it gets a little tricky. Lowe, Tikannen, Gregg and Huddy were important. Ranford only won two, but you have to wonder just how big his 1990 performance was in this context. Moog was there for three but was playing for the 1984 clincher and was sprinkled the odd time in the postseason.
Gretzky - no argument there even with just the 4 Cups
Messier - a solid #2 Kurri - Am I the only guy so far giving Kurri the solid #3 spot here? No offense to my boy Coffey, but was Coffey more important in 3 Cups than Kurri in 5? Not to me. Kurri was a constant threat.
Coffey - Give him the #4 spot
Anderson - Great in all 5 Cups with Edmonton, sometimes Anderson tends to get underrated here on just how clutch the man was
Fuhr - even though Ranford was the starter for the 5th Cup you have to give Fuhr a clear #6 here.
After that it gets a little tricky. Lowe, Tikannen, Gregg and Huddy were important. Ranford only won two, but you have to wonder just how big his 1990 performance was in this context. Moog was there for three but was playing for the 1984 clincher and was sprinkled the odd time in the postseason.
Agree on Kurri for the same reasons. Two extra Cup runs in which he was instrumental easily make up the gap between them in the first three, which was not very large to be honest. Kurri led the team in goals in all three of the Cups he won with Coffey, tying the record for most goals in one playoff year in 1985.
Agree on Kurri for the same reasons. Two extra Cup runs in which he was instrumental easily make up the gap between them in the first three, which was not very large to be honest. Kurri led the team in goals in all three of the Cups he won with Coffey, tying the record for most goals in one playoff year in 1985.
Right. I mean in 1985 Gretzky is the number one guy for sure and while Coffey is still #2 probably, it doesn't mean Kurri's 19 goals were very far behind. Yeah, no doubt with the addition of 1988 and 1990 Kurri should unanimously be higher than Coffey on this particular list.
I disagree about Moog - several seasons he and Fuhr rotated throughout and there were a couple playoff runs where Fuhr got injured/sick and Moog had to step in and play. The Oilers never missed a beat.
Honestly, the Oilers would have won at least 3 of the 4 and maybe even all 4 of those same cups with Moog. The only one that would have been close is that 7 game series with the Flyers, and even then I remember Fuhr letting in a couple weak goals that made the series closer than it otherwise would have been (combined with spectacular goaltending from Hextal, of course).
I say 4 cups instead of 5, since Randford played for the Oilers 5th.
Who knows...maybe Moog would have kept a closer eye on Steve Smith behind the net in 1986, then we're possibly talking 5 cups in 5 years.
What's the case for Tikkanen over Lowe? Lowe was the defensive backbone for basically the entire dynasty. And occasionally you'll hear the odd person talk about Lowe for the HHOF; I've never heard that about Tikkanen.
My top 8:
1. Wayne Gretzky
2. Mark Messier
3. Jari Kurri (after reading Kyle's post)
4. Paul Coffey
5. Grant Fuhr
6. Glenn Anderson
7. Kevin Lowe
8. Esa Tikkanen
What's the case for Tikkanen over Lowe? Lowe was the defensive backbone for basically the entire dynasty. And occasionally you'll hear the odd person talk about Lowe for the HHOF; I've never heard that about Tikkanen.
My top 8:
1. Wayne Gretzky
2. Mark Messier
3. Jari Kurri (after reading Kyle's post)
4. Paul Coffey
5. Grant Fuhr
6. Glenn Anderson
7. Kevin Lowe
8. Esa Tikkanen
After that, it gets muddier
Yeah I don't understand that one. Tikkanen was basically only a part of three Cups (he's credited with a 4th due to playing three games in the 1985 final, his only games of the season). After Coffey left, Lowe was the team's #1 defenseman and a team leader. I think Lowe is clearly ahead. Tikkanen vs Huddy is probably a better debate if we're looking solely at contributions in Cup-winning years.
1. Gretzky, F
2. Coffey, D
3. Kurri, F
4. Messier, F
5. Fuhr, G
6. Anderson, F
7. Lowe, D
8. Huddy, D
9. Tikkanen, F
10. Moog, G
11. Muni, D
12. MacTavish, C
13. Gregg, F
14. Smith, D
15. Beukeboom, D
16. Pouzar, F
17. Hunter, F
18. McLelland, F
19. Krushelnyski, F
20. Buchberger, F
21. McSorley, D/F
I think Reijo Ruotsalainen deserves a higher position. After all, they did change the whole NHL rules bcs of him.
How many years was it that Reijo Ruotsalainen was "protected" in transactions? IIRC It went on for a rodiculously long time.
ps. the smiley doesnt translate weöö here in that tongueflailing....I've always used it as more of a quirky thing, not as tonguewaving...but whatever, you get the point, I'll try to find smth else...its not meant in anyways deragotary *sigh* need sleep
I think Reijo Ruotsalainen deserves a higher position. After all, they did change the whole NHL rules bcs of him.
How many years was it that Reijo Ruotsalainen was "protected" in transactions? IIRC It went on for a rodiculously long time.
ps. the smiley doesnt translate weöö here in that tongueflailing....I've always used it as more of a quirky thing, not as tonguewaving...but whatever, you get the point, I'll try to find smth else...its not meant in anyways deragotary *sigh* need sleep
How so? I remember liking him when I was little because he was fast and had a cool name.
What rule changes did he cause, or are you joking?
How so? I remember liking him when I was little because he was fast and had a cool name.
What rule changes did he cause, or are you joking?
I can't remember the exact rule but the gist of it was to prevent teams from bring players over from Europe after their season had ended. Players had to be on rosters or under NHL team control by a certain date to be able to play.
Man what a player he would have been had he been only 3 or 4 inches taller.
I can't remember the exact rule but the gist of it was to prevent teams from bring players over from Europe after their season had ended. Players had to be on rosters or under NHL team control by a certain date to be able to play.
Man what a player he would have been had he been only 3 or 4 inches taller.
