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12-13-2003, 10:56 AM
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Yorkie, a look at the numbers

Oilonice thread: York

One of my posters takes a closer look at the numbers.

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The post gives some faceoff percentages. York's are not good. The poster suggests moving York to the wing.

Aparantly Isbister is 62% at the faceoff dot ... maybe they should switch! He'd solve our search for a big centre.

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The post gives some faceoff percentages. York's are not good. The poster suggests moving York to the wing.

Aparantly Isbister is 62% at the faceoff dot ... maybe they should switch! He'd solve our search for a big centre.

I was just saying this last night during the game. Too bad there's more to playing centre than just taking draws.



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I was just saying this last night during the game. Too bad there's more to playing centre than just taking draws.



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Exactly, if he's doing everything else right, bad faceoffs don't mean he should change positions. What's this about the York centre "experiment"? If I'm not mistaken, York broke into the league as a centreman, I would hardly call his being there an experiment. Most importantly, who else is going to be a top two line centre for us?

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Exactly, if he's doing everything else right, bad faceoffs don't mean he should change positions. What's this about the York centre "experiment"? If I'm not mistaken, York broke into the league as a centreman, I would hardly call his being there an experiment. Most importantly, who else is going to be a top two line centre for us?
If York and Isbister played on the same line Isbister could take the draws. and during the play just move back to the wing

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If York and Isbister played on the same line Isbister could take the draws. and during the play just move back to the wing
That would work, except York is playing with Smyth and Hemskey, and they seem to be doing well.

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That would work, except York is playing with Smyth and Hemskey, and they seem to be doing well.
Fine, let Smyth take the draws then switch back to their positions

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Fine, let Smyth take the draws then switch back to their positions
Smyth is 1.2% better. I don't think that's statistically significant.

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Smyth is 1.2% better. I don't think that's statistically significant.
Not really, but it would be a shame to compromise your lines just to get a good faceoff guy on each line and that 1.2% is better than nothing.

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Not really, but it would be a shame to compromise your lines just to get a good faceoff guy on each line and that 1.2% is better than nothing.
My point was that 1.2% is so small that it's probably due to random chance. Maybe Smyth would be better, but I don't think it's something significant enough to be arguing about. More important is whether to keep York at centre or not.

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My point was that 1.2% is so small that it's probably due to random chance.
Maybe, but maybe not. There's a lot of faceoffs being measured.

The question is: what is the average measuring? It measures past performance quite fine. But it can't track a trend.

Horcoff's faceoffs have improved. Dramatically IMO. Smyth's have slowly improved too. If you just look at their averages, they under-rate the future expectations because they played some horrendous games. At times the team as a whole was losing like 75% of the draws.

What about York? One bad game does not a season make. I'd be interested in seeing a trend analysis on the FO data, not a simple mean. Not only that, I'd like to see a breakdown of faceoffs in key situations such as on special teams. A 48% might be OK if the player is losing a bunch of even strength neutral zone draws.

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This has been surrounded, but I just wanted to mention that York was slashed three or four times in one game recently. That can also contribute to a poor game or two in the fo circle.

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