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01-18-2013, 08:35 AM
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I don't quite get The calls to move Leopold. I always saw him as a solid, if unspectacular dman with a bit of a scoring touch. If the team is out of it at the deadline all bets are off obviously, but if the team is contending, I would try to trade or worst case scenario, waive Weber first.
Completely agree. He is top four, can play both special teams. You dont trade a top four d-man for sake of young unproven guy who is one dimensional at this stage.

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01-18-2013, 08:37 AM
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Leopold and Sekera are both guys that I think get underrated.

I think it's because they don't throw huge body checks and don't put up huge offensive numbers.

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01-18-2013, 10:22 AM
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I don't quite get The calls to move Leopold. I always saw him as a solid, if unspectacular dman with a bit of a scoring touch. If the team is out of it at the deadline all bets are off obviously, but if the team is contending, I would try to trade or worst case scenario, waive Weber first.
Neither do I. At least at this point of the season. Maybe at the deadline if we're not in the mix for the playoffs.

Leo is a solid dman who can log big minutes if needed on a reasonable deal. He gives us 5 top 4 dmen and thats never a bad thing.


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01-18-2013, 11:51 AM
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Neither do I. At least at this point of the season. Maybe at the deadline if we're not in the mix for the playoffs.

Leo is a solid dman who can log big minutes if needed on a reasonable deal. He gives us 5 top 4 dmen and thats never a bad thing.
This. Leopold's value is higher in Buffalo than it is on the open trade market - unfortunate but true. I wouldn't even be adverse to extending Leo for 2yrs after this season at around the same cap provided his play remains consistant.

If Buffalo is trading a d-man, it needs to be for a reasonable return (top-6 C/W upgrade IMO)...The only tradeable member of this core who has that kind of value is Sekera.

With Brennan emerging as ready (near-ready?), and McNabb/Pysyk right behind him, this is the ideal time to try and sell high on Reggie for a "win-now" return. Leo going forward also allows us some flexibility when it comes to re-upping Sulzer, Regehr, Weber etc...

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01-18-2013, 12:16 PM
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The people who wants to trade Leopold right now when his value hasn't been built for the season and when we have literally no one to replace him with will probably be in for a rude awakening. Wouldn't be shocked if he gets resigned for another 2 years.

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01-18-2013, 06:57 PM
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Good depth on defense.

Amerks game tonight:
Kevin Oklobzija ‏@kevinoDandC
Two best players in the 1st period: #Amerks C Kevin Porter and #Amerks D Adam Pardy.


Pardy hasn't played a game in 9 months.

I'm glad there is no re-call waivers so Pardy can be considered depth in case of injury unlike Morrisonn last year.

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Adam Pardy (7:51) only trailed his D partner Alex Biega (8:31) in #Amerks time-on-ice in the 1st period. Pardy playing well on defense.

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01-21-2013, 06:42 PM
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Mike Weber for Brad Richardson anyone?

Kings just lost Greene for the year and I proposed this on the main board and Kings fans seemed to like it. It would let us not have to play Ellis/Scott every game we have injuries.

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01-21-2013, 07:15 PM
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Mike Weber for Brad Richardson anyone?

Kings just lost Greene for the year and I proposed this on the main board and Kings fans seemed to like it. It would let us not have to play Ellis/Scott every game we have injuries.
I'd do it for sure. That seems like a good deal on our end.

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01-21-2013, 07:57 PM
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He would be an upgrade over Ellis for sure and a perfect versatile bottom 6er. Struggle to see us make a move just yet. Everyone knows we are looking to move a defender. We are in a weak position to negotiate and Regier is not one to accept less than perceived value.

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I'd do it for sure. That seems like a good deal on our end.
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He would be an upgrade over Ellis for sure and a perfect versatile bottom 6er. Struggle to see us make a move just yet. Everyone knows we are looking to move a defender. We are in a weak position to negotiate and Regier is not one to accept less than perceived value.
I think it makes sense and fair value. Just a trade for center depth really. Gives us more options to dress and can play wing or center. Not a bad spare forward at all and has a Cup ring to boot.

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I think it makes sense and fair value. Just a trade for center depth really. Gives us more options to dress and can play wing or center. Not a bad spare forward at all and has a Cup ring to boot.
i don't think it makes sense
nor do i think it's fair value

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01-21-2013, 10:05 PM
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No way would I trade any of our depth on defense for a 4th line forward. You don't want to play Ellis? Porter, Flynn or Tarnasky in Rochester can play 4th line.

This team needs major help in the faceoff category. Any trade with LA needs to involve Jarret Stoll for size down the middle when Grigorenko goes back to junior.

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01-21-2013, 10:19 PM
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No way would I trade any of our depth on defense for a 4th line forward. You don't want to play Ellis? Porter, Flynn or Tarnasky in Rochester can play 4th line.

This team needs major help in the faceoff category. Any trade with LA needs to involve Jarret Stoll for size down the middle when Grigorenko goes back to junior.
Agreed.

Richardson actually was 59% last year, but took less than 70 draws, so that might not be reliable.

I don't mind trading Weber for a bottom 6 guy...since Weber really doesn't have much value. But it's gotta be someone who can win key draws. That became painfully evident tonight.

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01-21-2013, 10:28 PM
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Agreed.

Richardson actually was 59% last year, but took less than 70 draws, so that might not be reliable.

I don't mind trading Weber for a bottom 6 guy...since Weber really doesn't have much value. But it's gotta be someone who can win key draws. That became painfully evident tonight.
I don't know why Buffalo fans don't appreciate depth...

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01-21-2013, 10:30 PM
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01-21-2013, 10:37 PM
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I don't know why Buffalo fans don't appreciate depth...
I think we have more defensive depth than offensive. We'll still have Brennan and Pardy, not to mention McNabb (if he gets his head out of his ass).

It's not like we should get rid of him for the sake of dealing a D. It has to be the right deal.

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01-21-2013, 10:45 PM
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I think we have more defensive depth than offensive. We'll still have Brennan and Pardy, not to mention McNabb (if he gets his head out of his ass).

It's not like we should get rid of him for the sake of dealing a D. It has to be the right deal.
a generic 4th liner can't possibly be the right deal to trade a 25 year old NHL defensemen with 135 games of NHL experience.

call me crazy, but i like that our #7 is an experienced young vet... everyone always pencils the next prospect in, as if there is no doubt that these guys are going to capable.

FYI Weber was penciled in once too

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01-21-2013, 10:50 PM
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a generic 4th liner can't possibly be the right deal to trade a 25 year old NHL defensemen with 135 games of NHL experience.

call me crazy, but i like that our #7 is an experienced young vet... everyone always pencils the next prospect in, as if there is no doubt that these guys are going to capable.

FYI Weber was penciled in once too
Agreed.
Besides, I'm a Mike Weber fan.

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01-22-2013, 07:39 AM
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If Buffalo is going to deal a d-man to LA, it should be Pardy for whatever they can get. A 4th rd pick is probably fair.

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I know Ruff goes all Pokemon with Matt Ellis, but they could get hard work and defensive responsibility AND a guy who can win a draw or finish a check for their 4th center. Missing out on Konopka and Slater over the summer still leaves a wiff of "just getting by" like old Regier to me.

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Trade deadline deal. Buffalo is in contention, Anaheim is out.

To Anaheim: Stafford, Girgensons, Pysyk, 1st

To Buffalo: Perry

Take a run at the cup and gives us the upper hand on re-signing.

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Trade deadline deal. Buffalo is in contention, Anaheim is out.

To Anaheim: Stafford, Girgensons, Pysyk, 1st

To Buffalo: Perry

Take a run at the cup and gives us the upper hand on re-signing.
Not a fan of wiping out a bunch of our prospect depth to get a guy for potentially less than half of a season.

If there was some guarantee of a re-sign I at least think about it......but that's way too rich for my blood.

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Hossa was traded to Pittsburgh for two roster players, a top prospect and a 1st. That's the best comparable I can think of if we wanted to get Perry at the deadline.

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01-22-2013, 08:32 AM
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Trade deadline deal. Buffalo is in contention, Anaheim is out.

To Anaheim: Stafford, Girgensons, Pysyk, 1st

To Buffalo: Perry

Take a run at the cup and gives us the upper hand on re-signing.
I'd do it. Don't think for a second there's a chance they'd let Perry walk either.

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Trade deadline deal. Buffalo is in contention, Anaheim is out.

To Anaheim: Stafford, Girgensons, Pysyk, 1st

To Buffalo: Perry

Take a run at the cup and gives us the upper hand on re-signing.
Look at what Kovalchuk went for at the deadline as a pending UFA, and then recognize how ridiculous your overpayment is.

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