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01-22-2013, 09:24 AM
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are you having fun with what's actually being said or are you having fun with the strawman you threw up there....ONLY TOOK 2 GAMES BUT B'S FANS HAVE FOUND WHIPPING BOY IN CHRIS BOURQUE #whatabunchofmoronsbruinsfanscanbesometimeswellokm ostofthetime

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a lot of people are angry bc they think nepotism awarded him a roster spot, and that his PP time and shootout nod is unearned.
In all seriousness though, I really don't have an opinion yet - two games in, and two wins at that.

But there are all types of "specialists" in the game, PP, PK, Shootouts, fights, etc. It's the one thing they do good in the game and the reason they are still in the game. So unless they get the opportunity to show they can do it at the NHL level when they have done it at other levels, how else are they suppose to show it?

Yesterday, some people (and I don't mean fans) were asked how much time do you give a player to showcase himself this year after the lockout? The general consensus was 20 games, with a full schedule, but this year 10-12.

Just too early to form a basis here yet. Heck, he's playing with players he's never played with before. There's no chemistry there...yet. I just think it needs more than 2 games before we write him off.

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Wow. This thread was predictable, but I thought it would take more than two games (both wins, btw). This place never ceases to amaze me.
Welcome to the madhouse. Imagine if they started off 0-2??

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Peverley's first 40 nhl games... 2-8-10. Got traded to Atlanta , played with better players and the bulb went on... all at age 27.

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Peverley's first 40 nhl games... 2-8-10. Got traded to Atlanta , played with better players and the bulb went on... all at age 27.
Good point. And look at a guy like Martin St. Louis, and no, I am not saying that Chris Bourque is going to be Martin St. Louis, but he was a guy who played three seasons of minor league hockey before establishing himself as an NHL player. And St. Louis had played four years of college, as opposed to Bourque's one. It then took St. Louis another couple of years to establish himself in the NHL as a elite player.

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Peverley's first 40 nhl games... 2-8-10. Got traded to Atlanta , played with better players and the bulb went on... all at age 27.
thats actually an excellent comparison. similar skill sets. Bourque didnt stand out but i also didnt see anything he did that was bad. he shifty gritty and has some skill. he lacks size but not the willingness. but a whipping boy must be named and the lunatic fringe has spoken. carry on

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thats actually an excellent comparison. similar skill sets. Bourque didnt stand out but i also didnt see anything he did that was bad. he shifty gritty and has some skill. he lacks size but not the willingness. but a whipping boy must be named and the lunatic fringe has spoken. carry on
I thought Fatty Lucic was the new whipping boy

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I see a disturbing trend here. It seems that Chris Bourque is seeing undeserved PP time and basically too many shifts. Then he uses him in the shoot-out?

I hope this is not the case, but it makes one wonder if his fathers history with the team is having an influence on the decisions involving Chris. The guy is simply not that good.

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01-22-2013, 09:44 AM
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As OOG said, it is too early to form much of an opinion. That said, I am not a Bourque fan, as I think his skillset does not fit the style of the team. I.E. He is not good defensively and plays small. However, here is a thought maybe Caron is Julien's Mowers. I never really saw much to his game where he earned the ice time he got.

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In all seriousness though, I really don't have an opinion yet - two games in, and two wins at that.

But there are all types of "specialists" in the game, PP, PK, Shootouts, fights, etc. It's the one thing they do good in the game and the reason they are still in the game. So unless they get the opportunity to show they can do it at the NHL level when they have done it at other levels, how else are they suppose to show it?

Yesterday, some people (and I don't mean fans) were asked how much time do you give a player to showcase himself this year after the lockout? The general consensus was 20 games, with a full schedule, but this year 10-12.

Just too early to form a basis here yet. Heck, he's playing with players he's never played with before. There's no chemistry there...yet. I just think it needs more than 2 games before we write him off.
yup. that's my only beef with this thread, the timing of it. Otherwise all roster moves made by the coach are fair game on a hockey forum...how he uses particular players, when he uses them, heck even WHY he uses them, etc. If CB is playing mediocre or just kind of "there" at the 10-15 game mark with other guys who might take that spot both healthy and doing well in minors then yes, CJ's motivation is fair game at that point.

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Lost in this conversation is the fact that had Caron stepped up and played well in Providence during the lockout, he'd be getting this ice time/role. He didn't, so what you get is a stop gap type of player like we have now. No big deal.

I personally wanted someone with a little more offensive punch like Spooner or Knight to step up, but the limited camp really hurt their chances of earning that spot. Consider it a symptom of the lockout rather than Bourque being a viable player.
IMO this is what is important here- the failure of Caron to cement his spot on the team. I understand he is now injured but his play during the lockout was apparently not all that impressive.

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Way to change the hashtag Pie

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This was my favorite reply



In all seriousness though, I really don't have an opinion yet - two games in, and two wins at that.

But there are all types of "specialists" in the game, PP, PK, Shootouts, fights, etc. It's the one thing they do good in the game and the reason they are still in the game. So unless they get the opportunity to show they can do it at the NHL level when they have done it at other levels, how else are they suppose to show it?

Yesterday, some people (and I don't mean fans) were asked how much time do you give a player to showcase himself this year after the lockout? The general consensus was 20 games, with a full schedule, but this year 10-12.

Just too early to form a basis here yet. Heck, he's playing with players he's never played with before. There's no chemistry there...yet. I just think it needs more than 2 games before we write him off.
Reality is that if you want to make it in the NHL you need to do something. Nothing special about Bourque. He is not the answer to the PP and he better do something on that line or he will lose his opportunity. Caron is at least a big body. I think the Bruins need to find something better if they want to make a run for the Cup.

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I was thinking claude has a man crush on Bourque as well...but I'm not against anything he's done, give the man a shot, he puts up points in the ahl & he hasn't seemed to hurt the team so far.

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I'd say the lockout has quite a bit to do with the amount of ice time CB's getting. He's the only LW in the lineup that has his "game legs", as all other three sat on the couch the whole autumn (obviously they have been keeping in shape and all, just not skating that much and certainly not playing competitive hockey). I'd think that makes it difficult for CJ to sit Bourque for a couple of shifts, even if he wanted to, as the other LWs migh not be up to the added ice time just yet.

As most others, I'm not entirely enamoured with him either, although I am at times pleasantly surprised by his hustle at times, even throwing (or attempting to throw) a couple of hits here and there. He earned the spot from his AHL play (and partly the failure/injury to Caron), since camp was non-existant. Give him a shot I say. And let's see what the board says when (if) friggin' Pandolfo gets his shot. Or have they released him yet?

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Are people really wishing to see Krejci in a shootout.. really?
Second best hands on the team.

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I just see it as Claude giving this kid a chance too show what he can do. When Caron returns from injury it's going too be between them for the 3rd line LW spot. So Bourque gets too show what he can do, compared too Caron already played a decent amount of games.

So when he gets healthy, they see where Bourque is at and make a decision from there.

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Where are you gonna play him, if not on the 2nd PP and shootout? He is a skill player. The reasons why he couldn't cut it in the NHL so far aren't his hands/vision/ offensive skills.

I didn't think he looked bad on the PP, and even the best SO guys score only like 60% of their attempts... how are you gonna judge him after one?

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Wow. This thread was predictable, but I thought it would take more than two games (both wins, btw). This place never ceases to amaze me.
Some whistle past the graveyard, some call a spade a spade. Championship teams, and fans of them, can, nay should, recognize these things. Yes, it's only two games in, and yes, we won both (not that CB had much to do with it, however), but it was glaringly obvious to me that he was out there at times when I didn't think he should be (like on all the PPs). And at times, like near one goal line piliepup in the third, he was basically standing around, showing little effort. I remarked to myself at that time that I'm quite sure the coaching staff will have a sit down with him about that particular play. You'll find no bigger fan of his father than me; Ray is a God. CB, though, needs to realize that despite the relation, he's not entitled. His ceiling skill wise is probably third line, at best, judging from the little I've seen him here and his play in DC, but even to get, and remain, there he'll need O'Reilly-like effort.

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I see a disturbing trend here. It seems that Chris Bourque is seeing undeserved PP time and basically too many shifts. Then he uses him in the shoot-out?

I hope this is not the case, but it makes one wonder if his fathers history with the team is having an influence on the decisions involving Chris. The guy is simply not that good.
If you're basing PP deservedness based on 2 games of performance, I'd suggest there are about 10 guys who are getting undeserved PP time.

Edit: And for the record Julien's Mowers has always been, and will always be Michael Ryder

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Like I said in another thread, he hasn't been bad, but he hasn't been good either. He makes some nice plays here and there but overall he doesn't stand out. I think for now he plays until someone from the minors steps up or management finds a replacement via trade.

He's a decent stop-gap until we find a better player in his spot. I'd love to see him find his grove, but right now he reminds me a lot of Martin St Pierre ( remember him? ).

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Some whistle past the graveyard, some call a spade a spade. Championship teams, and fans of them, can, nay should, recognize these things. Yes, it's only two games in, and yes, we won both (not that CB had much to do with it, however), but it was glaringly obvious to me that he was out there at times when I didn't think he should be (like on all the PPs). And at times, like near one goal line piliepup in the third, he was basically standing around, showing little effort. I remarked to myself at that time that I'm quite sure the coaching staff will have a sit down with him about that particular play. You'll find no bigger fan of his father than me; Ray is a God. CB, though, needs to realize that despite the relation, he's not entitled. His ceiling skill wise is probably third line, at best, judging from the little I've seen him here and his play in DC, but even to get, and remain, there he'll need O'Reilly-like effort.
The bolded....that's the key. We've barely seen him play. Truth be told, I don't think he's the solution either, but I'm willing to let him prove me wrong as long it doesn't cost the Bruins wins...which it hasn't. As for his situational icetime...I hear ya. Personally, I wouldn't have him getting PP time, but I'm not Claude Julien and I don't have a Stanley Cup on my coaching resume. He seems intent on finding out what he has in Bourque right now, rather than sheltering him for 8 minutes/night and going a dozen games without any real clarity on the 3rd line conundrum.

Good leaders in any industry follow through on what they commit to. Claude and Chia committed to giving Chris Bourque a chance to earn the 3rd line LW job coming out of camp. I'd be willing to be that they have a timeline in mind for how long he has until the trial period is over, and they make a decision on him either way. I'd also be willing to be that the trial period is longer than two games. If you want Chris Bourque to work out, then you have to enable him to work out. If not, then why waste any time with him in your lineup at all?

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If you're basing PP deservedness based on 2 games of performance, I'd suggest there are about 10 guys who are getting undeserved PP time.

Edit: And for the record Julien's Mowers has always been, and will always be Michael Ryder
Ryder was a good goal scorer and still is. I never understood the hate some had for him.

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Ryder was a good goal scorer and still is. I never understood the hate some had for him.
Wasn't comparing Mowers to Ryder skill wise ... only in Coach/Player man-love.

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Ryder was a good goal scorer and still is. I never understood the hate some had for him.
Fans got on him because he underperformed in years 2 and 3 of that deal. Pretty much deserved every criticism he got, IMO.

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thats actually an excellent comparison. similar skill sets. Bourque didnt stand out but i also didnt see anything he did that was bad. he shifty gritty and has some skill. he lacks size but not the willingness. but a whipping boy must be named and the lunatic fringe has spoken. carry on
Another comp is someone like Eric Wellwood who bounced around for years until he finally found his niche with the Jets. Granted Wellwood has had more NHL opportunities than CB.

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I'm all for giving this kid a chance, but I thought having him shoot 3rd in the shootout was a bit much..
They usually do shoot outs in practice, and coach keeps track of
who is good , and who isn't.

We aren't privy to practice, so the kid might be lights out in practice, so you have to go with him in the game.

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